Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

Arun Sharma

Western Thunderer
Here's one of my favourite shots - in fact the first two are pretty good. The first is LT 1938 stock on the Bakerloo line, heading for (and very near) Stonebridge Park. I used the Bakerloo for many years to get to the smoke and rode these tube trains innumerable times, never thinking of them as worth a photo. The date is 1982 and it's passing Willesden TMD. On the right hand side of shot is an overhead wiring train, doubtless retained at Willesden for maintenance.

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Back to Willesden High Level, again in 1982, and a Class 501 heading for Richmond on the North London Line. Again familiar stock to me as I used it many times to travel from Harrow & Wealdstone to Queens Park for school swimming lessons.

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1982, and as Yorkie Dave pointed out, Manton Viaduct where it crosses the Chesterfield Canal and MGRs From Worksop to ECML in 1982. Loco is 56086. According to Rail UK it was withdrawn at the end of September 2008 and sold to Shackerstone. It was reinstated at the very end of 2011, or maybe August 2012 and sold to Europhoenix.

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Again at Manton Viaduct where it crosses the Chesterfield Canal two light class 20s, Worksop area. 1982. I read these as 20092 and 20017. 20092 was born as D8092 and, according to Rail UK was withdrawn on 5 December 1982 and reinstated on 17 April 1983. It remains in service. 20017 was D8017, withdrawn from Tinsley in December 1982 and cut up at Crewe Loco Works in February 1984.

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Brian

The 1938 Stock train pictured is one of the EHO trains [EHO=Extra Heavy Overhaul] which were painted in Ayres Red post-Dec 1973. This is the same shade of red as used on buses and was a shade lighter than 'Underground train red'. They were also distinguished by their non-trailer cars having a large white roundel on the sides rather than the underlined LONDON TRANSPORT fleetname. The EHO programme started in 1971 and excluded any of the earlier 1935 DMs converted to trailers post-WW2 as well as the 58 pre-1938 trailers [with roof vents] that operated with 1938 stock on the Bakerloo Line. Hence the EHO trains on the Bakerloo had a uniform roof appearance.
 

David B

Western Thunderer
Finally a DMU, and I know not which flavour.
I never expected to be dredging up my teenage love of (obsession with?) old BR DMUs in 2022, but here goes: it’s one of the 49 Derby Heavyweight (steel) Class 114 units that were introduced in 1956 and became the mainstay of rural services in Lincolnshire and the East Midlands. The coaches were 64ft long, so there is an extra window in the central saloon compared to the 57ft Derby Lightweight (alloy) Class 108s. The latter also had a smoothly curving Mk1 coach bodyside profile, while the 114s had the same profile as the various types of suburban and cross country DMUs (straight above the waist; curved below).
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thanks Arun. I didn't realise about the "life extension" programme for the 1938 stock, although now you mention it I see the pre '38 trailers are missing in this train.

David. Thanks to you too. Keep watching. I think there's more DMUs to come.

Back to Shirebrook and paired Class 20s in 1982. The box can just be read as Shirebrook Junction.

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Same location and date with an unidentified Class 56 travelling light.

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And a pair of light unidentified 37s in a different view at the same location. 1982 again.

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Brian
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
The first photo is Shirebrook Station Signal Box (looking south) with the remains of the MR platform in the foreground and part of Shirebrook colliery in the background.

The second, third and fourth are Shirebrook Junction Signal Box MR (now looking north) with the GC lines curving to the right forming the Shirebrook curve link to their route. The fourth being taken from the old Shirebrook MR station (again looking north).

The lines around Shirebrook are quite complex with the MR, GN and GC (ex LD&ECR) competing for the coal traffic and more information can be found here Shirebrook South
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thanks again, David, for the detailed info about this location. The following shots are all in approximately the same location at Shirebrook, and still in 1982. However, I'm hopeful that you (or others) may be able to provide appropriate captions. There's a few decent close ups of signal mechanisms and wagons from above.

The unidentified Class 56 seems to be popular, although it's unlikely to be the same loco throughout.

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Brian
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Just thinking, there are lots of HAAs in view in the last post and most of the hoppers show internal bracing just to the hopper sides... so what do we have inside the HAA which appears adjacent to the landing of the signal?
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thanks for the question and info about cross bracing. Useful detail duly added.

And, Dave, for the Ladykillers references. A favourite film....

Moving on. Tim took fewer colour photos than he did black and white but here's a set. Frankly these are not great but there are some to come in a while which are far superior.

York 1981. An unidentified Class 31 and HST.

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Again 1981 at York and an unidentified Class 45 - or possibly 46

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This could, I suppose, be described as an unsurprising Deltic as it remains York in 1981, sadly somewhat under exposed and not identified.

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This can be identified, and still at York in 1981. It's an early Class 40, No 40008, previously D208. At this time it belonged in the Manchester Division and was withdrawn in November 1982. It was cut up at Crewe in June 1988. (BR Database)

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I suspect this is the same loco again.

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An unidentified Deltic at York in 1981.

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Another Deltic, I believe to be 55010, ex D9010, The Kings Own Scottish Borderer. It was withdrawn at the end of the year the photo was taken in 1981 at York and was cut up at Doncaster Works in May 1982. (BR Database)

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Brian
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
The first unidentified Deltic arriving from the North is almost certainly 55 004 'Queens Own Highlander' the longest single line nameplate on a Deltic, double wipers also add weight to either 004 or 016 but the nameplate is too short for 016.

The second inside the train shed is another single line name plate but shorter, pretty sure (actually very confident to be honest) that's 55 013 'The Black Watch', last number looks like a 3 on the end and three words but shorter than 004. The only other possibility is 016 but that was pretty beat up by 1981, both ends and had quite large chips of paint missing from the yellow ends, in addition to that, and a deal clincher, 016 had double wipers per screen, not solo's like 013.

The last one is a little harder, again a York engine with the motif above the number, I've blown the image up and it does look like 013 again, single line nameplate just visible and single wipers per screen, so not 004 or 016.

If the image comes one or two before the one inside the shed on the film, then it'll almost certainly be the same engine. A lot of Deltic services terminated at York from London, in fact I don't think they were on any through services to Scotland at all by that date; so there would have been plenty of time for Tim to wander over and take a photo inside the train shed. I've also got just one photo with an almost identical white streak in the same place on the trailing nose below the windscreen, white patches or weathering was common here but this is a distinct streak rather than the usual overall weathering.

There are two other single line regiment name plated engines to consider (sans the race horses which all had very short names and by 1981 were all at Finsbury Park and had white window surrounds), 008 'The Green Howards' and 022 'Royal Scots Grey'. Both engines were rare in that they carried Domino's to the very end and both had cast crests above the nameplate, however it looks like 022 lost it's crests (removed due to concerns of theft?) around 1979/80 but retained Domino's. So they're both out of the mix.

By 1981 the racehorses were based at Finsbury Park and the regiments were all at York, having collected those from Haymarket when it stopped servicing them in 79 or 80 I think.

Dang, I miss my Deltic's.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Thank you, Mick, for some outstanding sleuthing. Your evidence, particularly for the last photo is compelling and has duly been attached to the photos. As you suggested those last two shots are adjacent on the film so it's likely that they are of the same loco.

Dave - a classic York photo by your father. Thank you for the comparison.

There will follow quite a few Tim took in the 1980s.

The first is identified as possibly Bamford in 1982 with an unidentified Class 45 or 46 passing.

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Tim has entitled this "Class 40 on Manchester - Sheffield Service 1982" but I'm pretty certain that's a Class 37. I believe the location to again be Bamford.

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This is entitled "Bamford Station 1982" and it looks as though it's the same Class 37 and train approaching as the previous photo.

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David B, I'll need your help in identifying these. First is DMU at Bamford 1982. The blind tells us it's en route to Sheffield.

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Again possibly Bamford 1982 and another unidentified DMU.

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Brian
 
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Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Regarding the first photo of the most recent post by Brian, what is the equipment lying between the switch rails of all of the turnouts forming the ladder?

regards, Graham
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
and a 126, Trans Pennine unit. I can’t say any more than that!

It's a class 124 Trans-Pennine set shortened to 4 cars. Initially they were built as 6 car sets to mk1 carriage profile.

Incidentally the class 126 sets was comprised of two batches (again to mk1 carriage profile) - the first batch with a SR 4-cep style gangwayed cabs and the second batch with 2 window Cravens style cabs.
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
Brian, way out with your locations.

The Peak (class 45) is Chesterfield, same as the previous shots of 25's, Peaks and Grids you've posted.

The 37 (not class 40 in either view) images are more interesting, the Location is Woodhouse, just south of Sheffield on the old GCR, at that time the Woodhead 1500V DC lines were still working or just closed but much of the infrastructure remained.

Woodhouse was the furthest southern point of the electrification, it didn't quite reach the station but stopped short ½ mile or so. The extra OHL from the Orgreave area sidings, they were split between Rotherwood exchange (BR/GCR lines) and Orgreaves reception and holding/sorting sidings (BR/NCB), was to allow class 76 to uncouple from south bound trains, cross over and head back to the northern end to take over a north bound train. Rotherwood being the exchange point between electrics and diesels on the GCR

If you look at the distant overall class 37 picture you can just see a large light grey overhead structure, that is the tie point for the southern limit of the overhead wires, just above that, and to the right a little, you can just make out much darker gantries for the powered section of the 1500V DC.

This is Woodhouse today, Tim would have been standing in the car park at the road junction I expect, the light grey gantry was between the station and the bridge girders you can see in the google view. The footbridge still stands.


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The grassed hillock in the background to the right of the railway wasn't there back in the 80's, a lot of that area was the massive Rotherwood exchange sidings and reception sidings for Ogreaves colliery, once the pit closed and the exchange sidings ripped up the area was terra formed using old slag heaps and fresh top soil to something more pleasing to the eye.

In fact all the of grass area and lake was once part of the massive Orgreaves colliery. Alamy has a good shot showing the beautification of this area.


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The GCR is the line on the left, the fresh green field with the letter 'a' (yes there are a few but the greenest area) is the site of Rotherwood exchange sidings (to the right of that would have been the NCB reception sidings). These ran from the road bridge just above the meadow to all the way down toward the housing estate at bottom left near the blue warehouse. There were additional NCB sidings north of the road bridge, the smaller blue buildings and waste land is the area they covered.

Orgreaves was open cast, many mines in this area were deep shaft, back in the day it looked like this.


You can see the blue warehouse (mid left) in the Almay image and cross reference it with the Google 3D view and then Tims image (which is black and white :))).

They did pretty much the same at Wath and Tinsley, erasing hundreds of years of industrial heritage, both rail and coal.
 
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oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Wow! And again Wow! Mick, thanks so much. That is fascinating stuff and adds so much more than a simple correction to the title of those two photos (apart from properly identifying the location of the "Bamford" photo). I suspect that, in the current world environment we should at least debate the reopening of some coal mines as a temporary measure. But we've already knocked down all our coal fired power stations, have we not? (Except for those burning bio fuel - what's that all about?)

Thank you Adam, Dave and Roja for your info about those DMUs. More to come.

I'd not noticed the equipment between the switch rails, Graham, and thanks to Martin for providing a possible explanation.

More Modern Image - well, it was in 1982.

A DMU at Chesterfield in 1982. Is this refurbished? I'm not sufficiently well educated to know the class but trying to learn from earlier posts possibly a smoky 108?

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This I know to be a Class 45 or 46 but still lack the education to tell them apart. Again at Chesterfield (that spire is a bit of a give-away, isn't t?) in 1982.

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1982 and Chesterfield again. An assemblage I really admire despite my steam predilections. An unidentified HST.

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An unidentified 47 on oil tankers. Again Chesterfield in 1982.

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I guess this was a happy accident. Chesterfield 1982. 45106 passes another of the same class (or perhaps a 46) while a DMU, possibly another 108, passes at the same time.

BR Database advises that 45106 was a Nottingham Division loco at the time, was withdrawn in February 1989 and cut up at Booth's, Rotherham by the end of April 1992.

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Chesterfield 1982 again and an unidentified Class 47 on what appears to be a coal train.

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Brian
 
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