oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Thank you, Dave. Absolutely correct again. I really should have got accustomed to interrogating Tim's notes before publishing. Must try harder! The commentary is changed by way of an edit.
Prototype Tim Mills' Photos
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Roger Pound
Western Thunderer
More from Ireland on the way - anticipated with great pleasure!
Roger.
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oldravendale
Western Thunderer
I’m glad you like the idea of a few more photos in Ireland, Roger, as perhaps you can help me with this one. Adelaide MPD, Belfast on 31st October 1958 and a somewhat less than stellar picture showing the scrap road. However the numbering supplied against the photo doesn’t make sense. There’s a tender then a 4-4-2T sans boiler No 40, No 108 4-4-0 no tender or boiler, No 21 0-6-0, No 157 probably an 0-6-0 , No 163 unknown – I’ll guess an 0-6-0. I’ve tried unsuccessfully to find all these in the Irish Steam Loco Register by J W P Rowledge published by the Irish Traction Group. If anyone can give me a lead on a better identification I’ll be grateful.
Class V Compound 4-4-0 87 Kestrel on the 12 noon Belfast to Dublin train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. No 87 was one of five class V locos introduced in 1932 and built by Beyer Peacock. When the assets of the GNR(I) were divided in October 1958 No 87 went to the UTA becoming their 87x. It was withdrawn in 1960.
T2 class 4-4-2T No 66 on the 10.20am Dungannon to Belfast train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. No 66 was built by Beyer Peacock in 1930 and also went to the UTA in 1958 becoming their No 66x. Withdrawal followed in 1960.
No 191 Croagh Patrick, an S2 4-4-0 built in 1915 by Beyer Peacock and rebuilt in 1939 on the 7.30am Dublin to Belfast train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. This one went to the CIE where it became 191n and was withdrawn in 1960.
Brian
Class V Compound 4-4-0 87 Kestrel on the 12 noon Belfast to Dublin train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. No 87 was one of five class V locos introduced in 1932 and built by Beyer Peacock. When the assets of the GNR(I) were divided in October 1958 No 87 went to the UTA becoming their 87x. It was withdrawn in 1960.
T2 class 4-4-2T No 66 on the 10.20am Dungannon to Belfast train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. No 66 was built by Beyer Peacock in 1930 and also went to the UTA in 1958 becoming their No 66x. Withdrawal followed in 1960.
No 191 Croagh Patrick, an S2 4-4-0 built in 1915 by Beyer Peacock and rebuilt in 1939 on the 7.30am Dublin to Belfast train at Lambeg, Co Antrim on 31st October 1958. This one went to the CIE where it became 191n and was withdrawn in 1960.
Brian
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Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
By the merest hint of good fortune I have discovered a list of the ex GNRI locomotives that the UTA decided to scrap in 1958 and I can positively identify three out of the five numbers given and possible explanations for the anomalies.
No 21 T2 class 4-4-2T built by Nasmyth Wilson in 8/24, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 8/59 which I think is the date of selling for scrap.
No 108 LQG class 0-6-0 "Pomeroy" builty by Dundalk works 4/08, rebuilt 6/28, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 12/59.
No 157 QL class 4-4-0 "Orpheus" built by NBL Glasgow 11/04, rebuilt x/19 and 9/22, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 12/59.
I am reasonably happy that the three above are in the line up in Tim's photo.
The less certains,
No 40 SG3 class 0-6-0, built by Beyer Peacock 2/21, originally number 201 and renumbered in 1/48 to make way for the first of the second batch of U Class 4-4-0s "Meath". Subsequently further renumberd in May 1959 as 34 in the UTA capital stock list but not withdrawn until 5/65. Whilst Tim probably/possibly listed it in his photo, it may well have just been resting between duties and certainly wasn't scrapped for some years.
No 163 LQG class 0-6-0 "Banbridge" built by NBL Glasgow 4/08, rebuilt 9/27. It went to the CIE in 1/48 and was wdn 11/62 so pretty unlikely to have been in the scrap road at Adelaide on the last day of October 1958. Is it possible that Tim wrote this down incorrectly and it is in fact 162 "Ballyroney" of the same class that went to the UTA and was in the scrap list of 1958 not having been renumbered by UTA, formally being withdrawn in 12/59. Seems the most likely explanation.
Regards
Martin
No 21 T2 class 4-4-2T built by Nasmyth Wilson in 8/24, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 8/59 which I think is the date of selling for scrap.
No 108 LQG class 0-6-0 "Pomeroy" builty by Dundalk works 4/08, rebuilt 6/28, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 12/59.
No 157 QL class 4-4-0 "Orpheus" built by NBL Glasgow 11/04, rebuilt x/19 and 9/22, not renumbered in UTA list, wdn 12/59.
I am reasonably happy that the three above are in the line up in Tim's photo.
The less certains,
No 40 SG3 class 0-6-0, built by Beyer Peacock 2/21, originally number 201 and renumbered in 1/48 to make way for the first of the second batch of U Class 4-4-0s "Meath". Subsequently further renumberd in May 1959 as 34 in the UTA capital stock list but not withdrawn until 5/65. Whilst Tim probably/possibly listed it in his photo, it may well have just been resting between duties and certainly wasn't scrapped for some years.
No 163 LQG class 0-6-0 "Banbridge" built by NBL Glasgow 4/08, rebuilt 9/27. It went to the CIE in 1/48 and was wdn 11/62 so pretty unlikely to have been in the scrap road at Adelaide on the last day of October 1958. Is it possible that Tim wrote this down incorrectly and it is in fact 162 "Ballyroney" of the same class that went to the UTA and was in the scrap list of 1958 not having been renumbered by UTA, formally being withdrawn in 12/59. Seems the most likely explanation.
Regards
Martin
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Thank you, Martin. I reckon I've made a fundamental error here, assuming that Tim listed the locos in that line from front to back, or even back to front of the frame but they could equally well just be randomised. Referring back to the Irish Steam Loco Register I can make all those descriptions fit but in a rather random fashion. 
Several pictures here of a loco now in preservation at the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum but here on active duty. It’s County Donegal Railways Joint Committee No 2 Blanche, a class 5A 3 ft gauge 2-6-4T from Nasmyth Wilson in 1912 which entered service as no 2a Strabane, renumbered and renamed in 1937. It was withdrawn in 1959 coincident with closure of the line. In these photos Tim has recorded the loco as painted red and photographed at Strabane, Co Derry on 3rd November 1958.
These two photos are of Blanche as referenced above leaving Strabane, Co Derry, with a southbound train to Donegal on 3rd November 1958.
Two photos here of stock and facilities at Strabane Co Derry on the County Donegal Joint Railway Committee line on 3rd November 1958. The line was closed on 31st December 1958 and was subsequently dismantled. I'm guessing that the vehicle to the left of shot is on standard or 5ft 3in gauge track.
Brian
Several pictures here of a loco now in preservation at the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum but here on active duty. It’s County Donegal Railways Joint Committee No 2 Blanche, a class 5A 3 ft gauge 2-6-4T from Nasmyth Wilson in 1912 which entered service as no 2a Strabane, renumbered and renamed in 1937. It was withdrawn in 1959 coincident with closure of the line. In these photos Tim has recorded the loco as painted red and photographed at Strabane, Co Derry on 3rd November 1958.
These two photos are of Blanche as referenced above leaving Strabane, Co Derry, with a southbound train to Donegal on 3rd November 1958.
Two photos here of stock and facilities at Strabane Co Derry on the County Donegal Joint Railway Committee line on 3rd November 1958. The line was closed on 31st December 1958 and was subsequently dismantled. I'm guessing that the vehicle to the left of shot is on standard or 5ft 3in gauge track.
Brian
Roger Pound
Western Thunderer
Brian,
Sorry I was unable to answer your request for identification on the line-up in #4503 - I was rather tied up sorting out being hacked! Martin has done a fine job on this - his resources far outweigh mine, I feel. Many thanks to him and to yourself for this further interesting selection.
Roger
Sorry I was unable to answer your request for identification on the line-up in #4503 - I was rather tied up sorting out being hacked! Martin has done a fine job on this - his resources far outweigh mine, I feel. Many thanks to him and to yourself for this further interesting selection.
Roger