Thanks so much for the recent diversions. So very appropriate for this thread, certainly at the moment.
Following some considerable assistance I'm on a bit of a roll with improving the info for these Irish photos, so I've gone back to the first of the more recent ones - the earlier ones will have to wait until later. The updates or changes to the information follows but treat with a little caution as none of this data is from a primary source but mainly comes from the Irish Steam Loco Register (published by the Irish Traction Group). Each of the photos will be updated with this information, including additional detail from Roger Pound, Martin Shaw, Crimson Rambler and Overseer to whom I remain more than grateful.
Post #1852.
My original description of the first photo stated that this was unidentified but possibly No 138, an S Class 4-4-0 leaving on a Dublin train at Great Victoria Street, Belfast in August 1958. Well, date and place will work but 138 was an SG 0-6-0. A re-examination of the picture strongly suggests that this is actually Qs 4-4-0 No 135, Cyclops. It was transferred to the UTA in 1958 and withdrawn in 1963. It was built in 1899 by Neilson Reid and rebuilt from a Q to a Qs (ie superheated) in 1922.
The second and third pictures are of T2 Class 4-4-2T No 30 renumbered as 30X by the UTA leaving Great Victoria Street Station on a local train to Lisburn in August 1958 - Tim refers to the second shot as marshalling empty stock. The loco was built by Nasmyth Wilson in 1924 and withdrawn in 1961.
Fourth is Class V 4-4-0 Compound No 86, Peregrine, renumbered by the UTA as 86X stored at Adelaide, Belfast, MPD in August 1958. Built 1932 by Beyer Peacock, superheated in 1948 and withdrawn in 1961.
Post #1856.
The first photo is believed to be a PP 4-4-0, No 43, Lagan, stored at Adelaide MPD in 1958. this was built in 1911 by the GNR(I), superheated in 1928 and transferred to the UTA as 43x. It was withdrawn in 1960.
The next one is another possible, this time T2 4-4-2T No 4 stored at Adelaide MPD in 1958. This was built by Beyer Peacock in 1921, went to the UTA as 4X and was withdrawn in 1960.
Third comes the line of withdrawn locos at Adelaide MPD including an RT 0-6-4T and Class A 0-6-0. Fortunately Roger Pound gave me the information that the 0-6-4T was one of the four locos comprising class RT with 4'3" driving wheels and used for dock shunting at Belfast. One was withdrawn in 1959, the remaining three lasting until 1963. Detailed examination of the photo suggests this to be No 23, built by Beyer Peacock in 1908 and was one of the three withdrawn by the UTA in 1963. The 0-6-0 immediately in front appears to be a member of Class A, a class of fifteen introduced by James Park in 1882. Several survived in to the 1950's, the last being photographed awaiting cutting up at Dundalk in 1961. The other two 0-6-0's can't be identified.
Post #1858.
First here is Adelaide MPD in 1958. I believe it might be the unique NLQG class No 165 Newbliss built by Nasmyth Wilson in 1911 although rebuilt as an LQG in 1929. The number 65 can be easily identified on the cab side. It was transferred to the UTA as 165x and was withdrawn in 1961. Additional information came again from Roger Pound that the NQG and LNQG had just four of their number rebuilt and absorbed in to class LQG. These were a very popular loco, being the most powerful 0-6-0 on the system. The class remained intact in 1958 and withdrawal was not completed until 1964.
Second is an unidentified W 2-6-0, so nothing to add here.
Third and fourth is Class U 4-4-0 GNR(I) No 196 Lough Gill shunting Adelaide MPD in 1958. Built in 1915 by Beyer Peacock to the design of George T Glover it was renumbered No 64 on transfer to the UTA in 1958 and withdrawn in 1961.
Post #1861.
First were four views of an unidentified U2 4-4-0, then two of a similarly unidentified W 2-6-0 so no more to add there.
Next, to the seventh and eighth pictures in this post identified as a V1 class 0-6-0, possibly No 15, stored on shed at Belfast York Road MPD in 1958 or August 1960. This was rebuilt from a V to a V1 in 1953 It was built in 1923 by the LMS for the NCC as No 73 and renumbered in the same year. Roger suggested the number as 16 but this was an NCC 0-4-0ST or a GNR(I) Class UG. Class V1 No 15 was, however, scrapped in 1961 so calls in to question the attributed date of 1962 for this photo.
Post #1863
The first photo is Class W 2-6-0 No 98 King Edward VIII at Belfast York Road MPD awaiting works in 1962. It was a Northern Counties Committee/LMS loco built in 1937 at Derby Works. It then went to the UTA in 1948 and was withdrawn in 1964. Details from the Smugmug photo collection and confirmed in the Irish Steam Loco Register. Note here the rather easier seen tablet collection apparatus on the lower side of the cab.
Second is the line of withdrawn locos at Adelaide MPD possibly in 1962 but more likely 1960. Nearest is either No 63 or 69 class T2 4-4-2T. No 63 was built in 1929 and 69 by Nasmyth Wilson in 1924. 63 was withdrawn in 1959 and 69 in 1958. No 69 was GNR(I) No 148 but renumbered in 1948, when it went to the UTA. No 63 went to the CIE in 1958 so, on balance, this is almost certainly No 69. Reference again the Smugmug photo collection confirmed in the Irish Steam Loco Register.
The third picture appears in Tim's notes as an unidentified QLG 0-6-0 on shed at Adelaide MPD in 1962 but it can be identified as No 79 which was a class UG built 1937 in Dundalk. In 1958 it went to the UTA, was renumbered as No 46 and was withdrawn in 1963. It seems that the renumbering did not occur immediately which is the reason I consider a date of 1960 or (less likely) 1962 for this photo as possible. Roger's additional info is that the 0-6-0 in the last picture is definitely a UG. Roger's references have a photograph of UG No. 45 (GNR No 78) active on 29 September 1962, which does at least confirm the identity of Tim's photograph as being a UG, not QLG. The UG's were rated as good mixed traffic engines and were widely used on light passenger work on the CIE.
Post #1866
First are two shots of W 2-6-0s in 1960 or 1962. The first is definitely No 97 Earl of Ulster and the second is probably the same loco although the number is more difficult to determine with certainty. In any event both are on shed at Adelaide MPD Belfast. The builder was the NCC in 1935 and it was withdrawn by the UTA in1965.
Third is an unidentified UG 0-6-0 leaving Adelaide Station tender first in 1962 so no additional info for this one.
Fourth and fifth are of the same loco. It's an ex NCC Y class or Jinty as we know it here for sure, one of two regauged and reboilered for the NCC in 1944. I read the number as 18 and Tim records it as LMS 7456 which is the loco which became NCC 18. It was transferred to the UTC in which livery it appears here and the transfer happened in 1949. However, my main reference here is Wikipedia which advises that No 18 was withdrawn in 1956, previous to Tim's first photos in Northern Ireland whereas No 19 lasted until 1963. We now have confirmation that this actually No 19, LMS No 7553. My reference shows this to have been built in 1944 but we know it was originally introduced in 1928. 1944 was when it was rebuilt to 5ft 3in gauge by the LMS and shipped to the NCC.
Sixth is a general View of Adelaide shed area looking east in 1962 with Y class No 19 and W class No 97 present.
Post #1869
First is probably taken at the same time as the previous shots in 1960 or 1962 at Adelaide MPD. There are no other details but I note that this loco is a 4-4-0, not named and the raised footplate over the driving wheels rules out a U Class. On further consideration possibly a former NCC U2.
Second and third is at Adelaide MPD, Belfast in 1960 or 1962. It's clearly a named 4-4-0 and I read the number as 64 Lough Gill which was a U Class. No 64 was withdrawn in 1961 and this loco is clearly still working. Under the auspices of the GNR(I) it was no 196 but renumbered on transfer to the UTA. It was built by Beyer Peacock in 1915.
Photos 4 and 5 are possibly from 1960 and a local train approaching Adelaide Station, Belfast. An NCC loco along with others of the class it was transferred to the UTA. Thanks to Overseer we can see that this is W class No 95, The Braid which ran until November 1960 and was scrapped in August 1964.
Post #1873.
The first photo is of No 48 which is in the list of renumbered locos when transferred to the UTA. It was renumbered from GNR(I) No 146 which was a UG class which was built in 1948 by Beyer Peacock and withdrawn by Northern Ireland Railways in 1968. In the photo it's leaving Great Victoria Street Station, Belfast, probably in August 1960.
Second is probably on 10th August 1960. It's GNR(I) T Class 4-4-2T No 187 also built by Beyer Peacock but in 1913. It was rebuilt in 1926 to a T1. This one transferred to the UTA retaining its number where it was withdrawn in 1964. It's leaving Great Victoria Street Station, Belfast.
Third is again potentially 10th August 1960 and described as an unknown SG 0-6-0 and Y 0-6-0T at Adelaide MPD, Belfast. However the 0-6-0 can be identified as No 39 still carrying GNR on the tender and was built in 1911 by Nasmyth Wilson as an NQG class named Beragh, then rebuilt to an NGGs in 1931 and then an LGGs in 1956. (The lower case "s" indicates superheated). It transferred to the UTA and was withdrawn in 1960. The "Y" is actually an RT 0-6-4T No 23 built in 1908 by Beyer Peacock which also went to and was withdrawn by the UTA in 1963. Photographed at Adelaide MPD, Belfast. (All Irish Steam Loco Register)
It was quite a marathon to get the details sorted out but, IMHO, a worthwhile exercise. In the event that any of this updated information is incorrect please let me know. I hope we can now move on to posting some more photos in the next day or two - once all the above has been edited in to the photo data.
Brian
) which had a significant selection of photographs of the railway on the walls, all really grimy and yellow from the tobacco smoke. I was given permission to photograph them and I have them in my collection even now. They may yet see the light of day on my thread in a year or two.
