Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[oldravendale]

Thanks for yours about Sir John Moore, Simon @simond . I knew nothing of the chap until now!

As for the 9F I'd certainly not noted the AWS fittings. Thanks for that, Arun.

On a down freight at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962 is WD 2-8-0 90165. This had been on New England’s allocation since June 1949, then Frodingham in October 1962, Mexborough in February 1963 and Doncaster in October the same year where it was withdrawn in April 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped in January 1965 at W E Smiths, Ecclesfield. (BR Database).



A4 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley on a down semi fast train at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. We’ve seen this loco on here more often than you can shake the proverbial stick at and most recently in posts #3004 and #4053. It had been a Kings Cross engine since June 1950, moving to New England in June 1963 thence to St Margarets in November and then Aberdeen Ferryhill in August 1964 where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1966. (SLS). For information about its life in preservation see 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley (LNER 4498, LNER 600, LNER 7 & BR 60007)



9F 92175 on a down fitted freight at Hornsey on 7th July 1962. The loco was allocated to Doncaster when new in February 1958 (BR Database) and was withdrawn in May 1964 (BR Database and SLS) after a scandalously short life of six years. It was scrapped at T W Ward, Killamarsh, in February 1965.



Jubilee 45689 Ajax on an up Windermere train at North Wembley on 13th July 1962. The Jubilee was allocated to Edge Hill in April 1958, then to Llandudno Junction in October 1964 before withdrawal in December the same year. (SLS). The SLS reports it was transferred to Crewe North after withdrawal, in January 1965. However, WHTS reports the loco as stored at Llandudno Junction between December 1964 and April 1965. The loco was scrapped in May 1965 (BR Database) but I have no information to confirm where.



Brian

 

[oldravendale]

This is sort of a prototype question so I'll bung it in here as some of my readers are coaching specialists!

I have a 90 year old friend who is now recording her life memories. One she explains thus: "As you know I have been recalling early childhood memories and committing them to paper, One such is the first time that I remember seeing a train and locomotive. Whilst the engine was a little frightening the coaches were intriguing. I seem to remember wooden panelling, shiny with varnish on a lightish colour wood, a big letter 3 on the door, and fascinating small windows running along the top of the coaches, obviously clerestory, embellished with a black whirling ventilator on the top
Do you think that this kind of stock might have still been in use in 1937, or is it a figment of my imagination?
It was Deal Station, and my grandmother had come from Brookwood."

I don't know whether the varnished panelling was the outside of the coach or more likely the interior - neither do I know whether this was compartment stock.

All suggestions will be gratefully received.

Brian

 

[simond]

Obviously clerestory? Not toplights, or the SE variant thereof? Or some other company?

I’m assuming SE given “Deal station” but Brookwood is the other side of London, 100 miles away?

Varnished wooden panelling with a big “3” suggests teak stock perhaps?

There were through coaches from Margate to Birkenhead years ago, so “foreign” stock might not have been such a rarity.

A most interesting rabbit hole!

 

[Heather Kay]

There’s a Brookwood in Surrey, near Pirbright. Perhaps more famous these days for the London Necropolis, aka Brookwood Cemetery.

As to the coaches, not a clue. As Simon says, it could possibly have been a through working.

 

[LarryG]

I was intrigued by 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley hauling a semi-fast composed of non-corridor stock. Hardly the height of comfort , but at least a couple of coaches had lavatories.

 

[SimonT]

Brookwood Cemetery is the HQ of the Commonwealth War Graves Commision. Both they and the Americans have cemeteries there. We did a their guided tour there in 2018 and the station and railway were discussed. Many corpses were moved that way out of central London.

 

[40057]

Brookwood Cemetery is the HQ of the Commonwealth War Graves Commision. Both they and the Americans have cemeteries there. We did a their guided tour there in 2018 and the station and railway were discussed. Many corpses were moved that way out of central London.

On the plus side, some rare track in that final journey.

 

[Barry37]

Thanks for yours about Sir John Moore, Simon @simond . I knew nothing of the chap until now!

As for the 9F I'd certainly not noted the AWS fittings. Thanks for that, Arun.

On a down freight at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962 is WD 2-8-0 90165. This had been on New England’s allocation since June 1949, then Frodingham in October 1962, Mexborough in February 1963 and Doncaster in October the same year where it was withdrawn in April 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped in January 1965 at W E Smiths, Ecclesfield. (BR Database).

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A4 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley on a down semi fast train at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. We’ve seen this loco on here more often than you can shake the proverbial stick at and most recently in posts #3004 and #4053. It had been a Kings Cross engine since June 1950, moving to New England in June 1963 thence to St Margarets in November and then Aberdeen Ferryhill in August 1964 where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1966. (SLS). For information about its life in preservation see 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley (LNER 4498, LNER 600, LNER 7 & BR 60007)

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9F 92175 on a down fitted freight at Hornsey on 7th July 1962. The loco was allocated to Doncaster when new in February 1958 (BR Database) and was withdrawn in May 1964 (BR Database and SLS) after a scandalously short life of six years. It was scrapped at T W Ward, Killamarsh, in February 1965.

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Jubilee 45689 Ajax on an up Windermere train at North Wembley on 13th July 1962. The Jubilee was allocated to Edge Hill in April 1958, then to Llandudno Junction in October 1964 before withdrawal in December the same year. (SLS). The SLS reports it was transferred to Crewe North after withdrawal, in January 1965. However, WHTS reports the loco as stored at Llandudno Junction between December 1964 and April 1965. The loco was scrapped in May 1965 (BR Database) but I have no information to confirm where.

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Brian

In the WD 90165 photo, the middle one of the three cattle wagons appears to be an ex-LNER wagon. The cattle wagons are followed by an extra BR brake van.
Also on the left, there's a fairly new-looking concrete platelayer's hut – I wonder when new huts stopped being installed.

 

[AJC]

In the WD 90165 photo, the middle one of the three cattle wagons appears to be an ex-LNER wagon. The cattle wagons are followed by an extra BR brake van.
Also on the left, there's a fairly new-looking concrete platelayer's hut – I wonder when new huts stopped being installed.

It's not LNER - the diagonals go the wrong way and the lever doesn't cross the axlebox. The absence of a tie bar suggests that It's Southern, in design, anyway, a diagram 1530. I don't think I've seen a picture of one in traffic before - Mike King suggests that they built far too many and stowed them in sidings across the system.

Adam

 

[timbowales]

In the WD 90165 photo, the middle one of the three cattle wagons appears to be an ex-LNER wagon. The cattle wagons are followed by an extra BR brake van.
Also on the left, there's a fairly new-looking concrete platelayer's hut – I wonder when new huts stopped being installed.

That's actually quite a modeller's train. Just 11 wagons in total, including two brake vans!

 

[Barry37]

It's not LNER - the diagonals go the wrong way and the lever doesn't cross the axlebox. The absence of a tie bar suggests that It's Southern, in design, anyway, a diagram 1530. I don't think I've seen a picture of one in traffic before - Mike King suggests that they built far too many and stowed them in sidings across the system.

Adam

I stand corrected - went by the full-height doors, and forgot to look at the SR wagons book.
I have a postcard view of Rye Harbour that includes the end of the Harbour branch. Half-built vans are being stored there - all the metal work, but no planks. Presumably a timber shortage, but being a postcard, it doesn't have a date.

 

[Barry37]

That's actually quite a modeller's train. Just 11 wagons in total, including two brake vans!

The open wagon after the first brake van, appears to be carrying a C (or less likely a D) BR or ex-LMS open container. The last wagon seems to be sheeted.