I am always really impressed by this thread and its contributors. Keep up the good work!
How I agree with you, Dave @Genghis . This thread has brought out so many interesting diversions and info from specialists in their fields. I feel this is no longer just a photo album but a potential source of information for those prepared to read all the notes now attached to the photos.
Thanks for that Dave. I had never seen a photo of a Standard 4MT with a tripcock before -Returning briefly to our tripcock rabbit hole as Arun (@Arun Sharma) and Brian (@oldravendale) have alluded to tripcocks had to be fitted to steam locomotives, diesels and diesel units which traversed London Transport lines.
For the Met I would assume Neasden (ER/LMR) maintained a core of tripcock fitted locomotives purely for the surburban services from Marylebone which traversed the Met&GC line from Harrow on the Hill to Rickmansworth (and Watford) to comply with the London Transport signalling system. There are photographs here showing some locomotives fitted with tripcocks. Neasden - Steve Banks
However, it was not always the case as not all locomotives were fitted with tripcocks. I've come across a LURS publication by Piers Connor (part 30 attached to this post) which implies auxiliary signalling was provided between Harrow and Rickmansworth to cater for the non-tripcock fitted locomotives (and later diesel units). This would account for the main line locomotives on Marylebone services via Harrow and Aylesbury to destinations beyond, and could well include the locomotives used on surburban services. Therefore non-tripcock fitted locomotives and diesel units could travel over this section of line. This obviously did not affect the Aldgate - Liverpool St - Baker St services to Rickmansworth before the changeover to steam haulage to continue to Aylesbury.
When the old class 115 DMUs (originally built in 1962 for the Marylebone services) were withdrawn from service in 1992 a rule came in dictating all new trains coming onto the Amersham-Harrow route had to be tripcock fitted.
With regard to the Paddington (Bishop's Road) surburban platforms 13, 14, 15 & 16 (which included the Met H&C 13 & 16) it was decreed very early on any locomotives (later diesel units) using these platforms had to be tripcock fitted which accounts for the 61xx class. This changed in 1967 when the track layout was altered and the Met used 15 & 16. However, tripcocks were still required to traverse the Met H&C to Farringdon.
LURS homepage is here and there are historical indexes in the Underground News link - you do have to search around a bit. LURS home page
E4 Class 0-6-2T 32473 on empty stock at Clapham Junction on 29th June 1962. The loco was allocated to Nine Elms in July 1960 and withdrawn in October 1962. This is Birch Grove of the Bluebell Railway – see 32473 (LBSCR 473 Birch Grove, SR B473, SR 2473, BR s2473 & 32473)
Rebuilt Merchant Navy 35021 New Zealand Line on a down Exeter express at Clapham Junction on 29th June 1962. However, either this photo or the one above is attributed the incorrect destination as one is said to be Exeter bound and the other is said to have Bournemouth as it's destination and both have the same headcode. 35021 had been a Bournemouth engine since June 1957 and was withdrawn at the beginning of August 1965. (SLS). It was scrapped in October the same year at R S Hayes/Birds, Tremain Yard, Bridgend. (WHTS and BR Database).
Original West Country 34043 Coombe Martin on a down Bournemouth train at Clapham Junction on 29th June 1962. The loco was allocated to Bournemouth from February 1955 and withdrawn in June 1963. (SLS). It was then seen at Eastleigh Works by the Railway Observer and partially cut up in the erecting shop on 7th September 1963 (SLS) and finally cut up week ending 14th September 1963. (RO). The empty stock train has now moved on!
Me neither Arun so I looked up the relative RCTS volume, The ER had 15 of the class 4 2-6-0s allocated to it, in late 1953 76030-34 were sent to Stratford where they were used on cross London freights to Acton and Hither Green and some odd passenger duties. The next batch 76035-44 all went to Neasden in the spring and summer of 1954 and early in 1955 some were fitted with tripcock apparatus. The RCTS doesn't give any numbers and 76035 was reallocated to Hitchin in March 55 so I suspect it was left out but nothing suggests any reason why all the other nine weren't tripcock fitted. When Neasden shed closd in June 62 all nine engines were reallocated to Cricklewood and I think not long after steam workings on the GC/Met ceased. They all moved away from London, six in mid 64 and the remaining ones in Dec of that year.I had never seen a photo of a Standard 4MT with a tripcock before -
In the E4 photo, the conductor rail in the foreground has protective wooden boards. Unusually (or is it?) the right-hand one next to the running rail appears to continue almost to the single slip. Perhaps there was a requirement to walk in the "Four foot" to oil point locks, or similar.Interesting photo. The headcode on the E4 is Empty coaching stock trains Waterloo to Walton via Chertsey. Oatlands sidings were to the west of Walton-on-Thames and diagrams which required occasionally used sets/stock was berthed here - Clapham overspill so to speak - to allow Clapham to concentrate on the day to day frequently used sets/stock. The headcode displayed is also for Special boat trains Waterloo to Southampton Docks via Millbrook which is very, very unlikely as the train is on the wrong line.
Underneath the signal box and further gantry in the background between the trains the peaked roof building is the carriage washing plant which in front of stands a carriage set. The first full carriage on the ECS on the right has a roof destination board - shame we can't read it.
The headcode on these two are Waterloo and Nine Elms and Brockenhurst and Bournemouth West via Sway.
It could have been possible the Exeter train may have been divided at Bournemouth and a portion going on to Exeter but that would have involved a reversal at Dorchester South then via ex-GW metals to Yeovil Junction to pick up the main line to Exeter.
Waterloo - Plymouth trains were more direct to Exeter and would have the relevant headcode as noted on Battle of Britain 34072 257 Squadron in post #4,153.
Also notice in the background of West Country 34043 Coombe Martin (crop from image below) an electric unit (4-SUB?) heading towards Waterloo which is more probable as I don't think it's not far enough on the right (as seen) to be on the ex-LBSC lines to Victoria.
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I think patting him on the back would have been the furthest thing from my mind!... when his boss came up and patted him on the back. He then told my friend he was just about to isolate the third rail even though he was sitting on it! Thank goodness for rubber soles on his toetector boots!
Curious, given he was born in Glasgow, and is remembered in Sandgate (just down the hill from the Barracks which bear his name at Shorncliffe, [and about 500m from my house]) and died at Corunna. John Moore (British Army officer) - WikipediaBritannia 70041 Sir John Moore home shed was Immingham
Interesting pic - The 9F is AWS fitted. I had an idea that it was quite unusual for a non-Tyne Dock 9F to have AWS. It also shows the three link screw coupling [a SR standard fitting] that the ?Brighton-designed 9Fs were all built withIndeed, Heather. I guess those water columns were there until the end of steam. There's a slightly nearer one in the photo of 46134 in post #3602 but none of them are sufficiently detailed to model.
Thanks for yours, Barry @Barry37 for the information about the boards - then for stimulating some lovely stories (surely some are apocryphal) for which I thank Roger @Scanlon , Dave @daifly (for thinking it through!), Jim @JimG and Simon @simond .
Seen previously in post # 2658 Black 5 45276 is here on an up extra at Tring Station on 14th July 1962. The Black 5 had been at Willesden since July 1961 and moved to Stoke in September 1963. It was withdrawn in January 1967 (SLS) and was scrapped at Cohens, Kettering, in November. (BR Database).
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This loco has been seen previously in post #1757 and here is at Potters Bar on the down 6.50 to Cleethorpes train on 7th July 1962. Britannia 70041 Sir John Moore home shed was Immingham and had been since the end of December 1960. It moved to Carlisle Upperby in December 1963, then Kingmoor in February 1964 before being withdrawn in April 1967. (SLS). It was scrapped at J McWilliams, Shettleston, in September 1967. (BR Database).
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A4 60025 Falcon which has been seen several times previously much earlier in this thread here on an up Glasgow and Edinburgh train at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. The loco was allocated to Kings Cross in May 1950, then New England in June 1963 and was withdrawn in October. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works in January 1964. (BR Database)
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9F 92187 on the 6.32 York parcels at Potters Bar on 7th July 1962. The allocation for this 9F was New England in October 1958 and it went to Colwick in June 1963 where it was stored in January 1965 and withdrawn in February. (SLS). It was scrapped at Draper’s, Hull, in May 1965. (BR Database).
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