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john lewsey

john lewsey

Western Thunderer
I will try an almost like the real thing next time probably worth the extra money.Ive been looking at Brian Daniels coaches and they look much better
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Thanks for posting a photo of the etch from the BG kit. The V-hangers appear to be of the symmetrical pattern and that means you need to select a number from one of the lots which were built before (say) 1955-6... one of a Lot which was built with the unequalised bogie brake gear, the pull-rod under the bogie headstock and the vac-cyl inboard of the brake cross-shaft.

regards, Graham
 
lancer1027

lancer1027

Western Thunderer
Hi John.

I have built several Easybuild coaches but i have'nt come across that problem before. But your remedy seems to have worked.:thumbs:.

I will be watching this build with interest and hopefully pass on any help i can.:thumbs:

I have'nt built a BG before and all my builds except for one had window etches. The other, the FO had the old style glazing which had the sliding windows moulded into the glazing....... a pig to pick out with paint:mad:. What sort of glazing is in the BG ?.

Rob:)
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
I presume it's just a common underframe/ends unit they supply for the short underframe stock - just a reminder John, to remove the three little "bumps" on the vehicle end at the top that represent part of the Passenger Communication gear - not required on a BG!

[Edit] Here are said "bumps" for removal....
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Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Out of interest John (and it makes some of the answers I give a wee bit more relevant)! what period are you representing with the model of the BG?
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Cheers John - at least you can forget about fitting periscopes :)

p.s. Graham - those vee hangers look asymmetrical - or may just be the angle of the photograph...
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
Graham - those vee hangers look asymmetrical - or may just be the angle of the photograph...
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You are correct Bob, I thought the photo showed symmetrical hangers... so that means a bogie with equalised brake gear, pull-rod over the top of the bogie and vac-cyl outside of the brake cross-shaft.

Bob, if John wishes to build a BG without external window frames, BR1 bogies and equalised bogie brakes... when where such carriages built so that a suitable running number is chosen?

thanks, Graham
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
john lewsey said:
State of play on the BG at the moment not impressed its back in the box .It seems to me that a plastic kit should just slot together with ease, on this one (at least) that doesn't appear to be the case the sides don't have the right profile and don't fit the ends and the ends don't seem to fit into the roof Unless of course. I'm missing something as so many seem to have been built successfully
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John -

Don't want to intrude on personal grief - but how are you going to disguise that terrible thickness of the side & door windows - kind of like peering into a dark tunnel!

Regards,

David Parkins,
Modern Motive Power
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
john lewsey said:
Graham on your coaches are the sides like mine in the top photo
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The sides fit into the rebate on the back of the ends, the lip touches the back of the side from top to bottom. The sides do not fit into the roof as the roof needs some material to be removed... the roof has an internal lip at cantrail level and it is that lip which prevents the end from fitting up against the underside of the roof.

regards, Graham
 
Dog Star

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Dog Star said:
You are correct Bob, I thought the photo showed symmetrical hangers... so that means a bogie with equalised brake gear, pull-rod over the top of the bogie and vac-cyl outside of the brake cross-shaft.

Bob, if John wishes to build a BG without external window frames, BR1 bogies and equalised bogie brakes... when where such carriages built so that a suitable running number is chosen?
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Bob, life is never constant... John told me, earlier in this week past, that he had not ordered the window frame etches hence my comment about a Lot from before (say) 1958. Today John said to me that the kit had been packed with the etched window frames! I guess that this changes the question a bit:-

* when did the BG build change from unequalised bogie brakes to the equalised form?
* when did the BG build change to include external window frames?

I have a Platform 5 book on loco-hauled stock for 1985 and shall use that to sort some numbers for John.

regards, Graham
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
The first Lot built with BR Bogies & Equalised & Compensated brakes appears to be 30162 built 1956-57 (M80855-80964) followed by Lot 30163 (W81205-81265) & Lot 30323 (M81266-81302, E81303-81312) in 1957. Lot 30400 (M81313-81477, E81478-81497) in 1957-58. Lot 30484 (M81498-81572) in 1958. From the next Lot - 30715 (M81573-81592) built in 1961! they also received external glazing frames as did Lot 30716 (M81593-81612) and the final Lot built 30725 (M81613-81628) in 1962.

For a plain BG with Vacuum Brakes, and with the glazing frames, anything between 81573 and 81628 is a possibility, especially if you avoid the later conversions. Whilst none received anything other than BR bogies as built, some received Commonwealths or B4's - with the attendant brake alterations and different modifications for the likes of the Newspaper traffic. Best bet, if possible would be to model it without the external glazing frames giving you a far greater choice. Bear in mind there was large amount of renumbering done from the early 80s on for a lot of these 81 series vehicles.... Platform5 is your friend - and Dennis Taylors 80's rail site http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p771632351
 
Simon Varnam

Simon Varnam

Active Member
You could go for a JLTRT BG the only drawback maybe that you may have to alter all your other stock so that the buffers are at roof height as I hear they ride a little high on the bogies ;)

A personal opinion, an MMP BG even if you left out some of the detail is always going to look so much better than just about evrything else.
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Modelling pure and simple.... It might take a bit of work but the answer isn't to promote someone else's kits no matter how good and have a pop at the opposition.
 
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djparkins

Western Thunderer
Bob-65B said:
Modelling pure and simple.... It might take a bit of work but the answer isn't to promote someone else's kits no matter how good and have a pop at the opposition.
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I did not do that - I simply asked how John would get over the window thickness and he did not say. Where in my post did I promote my own kit?
 
Bob Reid

Bob Reid

Western Thunderer
Steady David it wasn't in reference to your question, but to Simons answer to fixing the problems. A bit like if the question was "how do you get to xy or z" the answer being given as "I wouldn't have started from there" however that's not where John finds himself. He has already bought the not inexpensive kits, and apart from binning them, he is faced with making them work, the answer can't surely be just to give up and start again from a better kit - granted yours clearly fit that category!. Apologies if you thought It was in reference to your own valid question.
 
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