Prototype Tim Mills' Photos
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oldravendale
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On Tim's behalf, thank you Tony. That's praise indeed. He'd have been so chuffed to hear that and then gone on to tell you why he didn't think it was very good because that's what he always did. I'll let his family know, though.
The favourite out of that selection for me is the 43XX approaching the viaduct. I can almost taste the smoke in the air!
Brian
The favourite out of that selection for me is the 43XX approaching the viaduct. I can almost taste the smoke in the air!
Brian
daifly
Western Thunderer
I thought that identifying the first Hall would be easy as it can clearly be seen to have a number starting with 7 and the name has only four letters. However, although there are only 30 Halls in the 79xx series, no fewer than 6 have 4-letter names: 7906 Fron Hall, 7907 Hart Hall, 7910 Hown Hall, 7915 Mere Hall, 7928 Wolf Hall and 7929 Wyke Hall. Contemporary photos of these locos that I have all show the same Collett tender - not a Hawksworth one in sight to aid elimination!
I suppose it's a positive to eliminate the remaining 24 Halls!
Dave
I suppose it's a positive to eliminate the remaining 24 Halls!
Dave
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Thank you for your efforts in trying to identify that Modified Hall, Dave. As you say, at least you have eliminated most of the class as possibilities.
For today the last of the GWR for a little while.
This Castle has figured in a number of previous postings, most recently #2293. Castle 7005 Sir Edward Elgar at Old Oak on a down express at the end of 1962 or early 1963. It had been a Worcester engine since new in 1946, went to Southall in August 1964 but lasted only a month there. It went to Cohens Morriston where it was scrapped during January 1965. (BR Database).
Old Oak Shed Yard with a line of locos on the disposal road at the end of 1962 or early 1963.
Two of 47XX 2-8-0 4703 at the coaling stage in Old Oak Yard at the end 1962 or early 1963. It had been at St Philips Marsh until October 1962 when it moved to Southall, thence to Old Oak in November. It was withdrawn in June 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped at A King & Sons, Norwich, by the end of July. (Rail UK).
94XX 0-6-0PT 9495 with an unidentified 57XX condensing 0-6-0PT outside the coaling stage at Old Oak at the end of 1962 or early 1963. It had been at Old Oak Common since July 1962, moving to Southall in April 1965 where it was withdrawn in June after a period in store. (SLS). It went to T W Ward, Briton Ferry where it was scrapped by the end of October. (Rail UK).
An unidentified 61XX 2-6-2T at Old Oak in late 1962 or early 1963.
94XX 9479 on empty stock en route to Paddington at Old Oak at the end of 1962 or early 1963. Seen previously in post #1218 9479 had been at home at Old Oak Common since November 1958 from where it was withdrawn in July 1963. (SLS). It was scrapped at Swindon by the end of September. (Rail UK).
Brian
For today the last of the GWR for a little while.
This Castle has figured in a number of previous postings, most recently #2293. Castle 7005 Sir Edward Elgar at Old Oak on a down express at the end of 1962 or early 1963. It had been a Worcester engine since new in 1946, went to Southall in August 1964 but lasted only a month there. It went to Cohens Morriston where it was scrapped during January 1965. (BR Database).
Old Oak Shed Yard with a line of locos on the disposal road at the end of 1962 or early 1963.
Two of 47XX 2-8-0 4703 at the coaling stage in Old Oak Yard at the end 1962 or early 1963. It had been at St Philips Marsh until October 1962 when it moved to Southall, thence to Old Oak in November. It was withdrawn in June 1964. (SLS). It was scrapped at A King & Sons, Norwich, by the end of July. (Rail UK).
94XX 0-6-0PT 9495 with an unidentified 57XX condensing 0-6-0PT outside the coaling stage at Old Oak at the end of 1962 or early 1963. It had been at Old Oak Common since July 1962, moving to Southall in April 1965 where it was withdrawn in June after a period in store. (SLS). It went to T W Ward, Briton Ferry where it was scrapped by the end of October. (Rail UK).
An unidentified 61XX 2-6-2T at Old Oak in late 1962 or early 1963.
94XX 9479 on empty stock en route to Paddington at Old Oak at the end of 1962 or early 1963. Seen previously in post #1218 9479 had been at home at Old Oak Common since November 1958 from where it was withdrawn in July 1963. (SLS). It was scrapped at Swindon by the end of September. (Rail UK).
Brian
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Today we move to a very chilly ECML.
A view of Hornsey looking South 29 - 31 December 1962.
Amazingly, in view of the large number of 9Fs, Tim captured this one previously, as seen in post #2199. This time 92040 is light, Northbound at Hornsey 29 - 31 December 1962. It was a New England engine at the time, moving to Colwick in June, then Staveley (Barrow Hill) in September 1964 and finally Langwith Junction in January 1965 from where it was withdrawn the following August. It was scrapped at Drapers, Hull, in November. (SLS).
A4 60026 Miles Beevor on a down express at Hornsey 29 - 31 December 1962. Seen previously in post #1393 60026 has a particular resonance for me as I saw it on every visit I made to Kings Cross. It moved away from Top Shed in June 1963 eventually ending up at Aberdeen Ferryhill in May 1964 for use on the three hour expresses from Aberdeen to Glasgow. (SLS). It was nonetheless withdrawn in December 1965 and went to Hughes Bolckows (North Blyth) scrapyard although disposal took a while as it lasted until September 1967. (BR Database). Whether it was stored at the scrapyard for all this time is unknown.
A2 60523 Sun Castle, the subject of previous debate on WT, on a down express at Hornsey on 29 - 31 December 1962. It was at it's final shed, New England, and was withdrawn in June 1963. (SLS). It went in to Doncaster Works for cutting up at the end of August. (BR Database).
Brian
A view of Hornsey looking South 29 - 31 December 1962.
Amazingly, in view of the large number of 9Fs, Tim captured this one previously, as seen in post #2199. This time 92040 is light, Northbound at Hornsey 29 - 31 December 1962. It was a New England engine at the time, moving to Colwick in June, then Staveley (Barrow Hill) in September 1964 and finally Langwith Junction in January 1965 from where it was withdrawn the following August. It was scrapped at Drapers, Hull, in November. (SLS).
A4 60026 Miles Beevor on a down express at Hornsey 29 - 31 December 1962. Seen previously in post #1393 60026 has a particular resonance for me as I saw it on every visit I made to Kings Cross. It moved away from Top Shed in June 1963 eventually ending up at Aberdeen Ferryhill in May 1964 for use on the three hour expresses from Aberdeen to Glasgow. (SLS). It was nonetheless withdrawn in December 1965 and went to Hughes Bolckows (North Blyth) scrapyard although disposal took a while as it lasted until September 1967. (BR Database). Whether it was stored at the scrapyard for all this time is unknown.
A2 60523 Sun Castle, the subject of previous debate on WT, on a down express at Hornsey on 29 - 31 December 1962. It was at it's final shed, New England, and was withdrawn in June 1963. (SLS). It went in to Doncaster Works for cutting up at the end of August. (BR Database).
Brian
Roger Pound
Western Thunderer
Somewhat like your experiences, Brian, 'Miles Beevor' would appear without fail whenever I visited the ECML in my trainspotting days - a habit which continued in later years - well into the early sixties, when I was a family man. We regularly stayed with friends at Retford having the delight of both the old GC and the ECML. I recall the former GC shed there was always worth a visit.
Roger .
Roger .
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
That's a reminiscence which strikes a chord, Roger. I wonder whether we, all unknowingly, met on the platform end at Kings Cross.
An unidentified A1, probably 60156 Great Central or 60157 Great Eastern on the up Yorkshire Pullman at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. At the time of the photo both 60156 and 60157 were Doncaster engines. 60156 then went to York in January 1964 where it was withdrawn in May 1965. 60157 was withdrawn from Doncaster in January 1965. (Yeadon). 60156 was sold to Clayton & Davie, Dunston for scrap in June 1965 and 60157 was sold for scrap to Drapers, Hull, in in February 1965. (BR Database).
A3 60074 Harvester on a down express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It had been a long time resident of Neville Hill being withdrawn from there in April 1963. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works in May. (Rail UK). It never received smoke deflectors.
9F 92188 on a down freight at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. In 1962 it was a New England engine, moving to Colwick in June 1963 and then to store in January 1965. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Colwick in February and then went to Drapers in Hull where it was scrapped in May. (BR Database).
An unidentified scruffy and underexposed A4 on an up express passing through Hornsey Station on 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60111 Enterprise on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. The loco had been at its final shed, Grantham, since 1957. It was withdrawn from there on 29th December 1962 which must date this image precisely, so this must have been its final trip in revenue earning service. It went to Doncaster for scrapping which was completed by early April 1963 (BR Database, SLS and Rail UK). Trough deflectors were not fitted until March 1962. (BR Database).
A3 60063 Isinglass originally identified by Tim as on an up express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It received trough deflectors in August 1961. It was a Kings Cross engine at the time, moving away in June and ending up at New England in November where it was withdrawn in June 1964. (SLS). It then went to King's at Norwich where it was scrapped by the end of August 1964. (Rail UK).
Thanks to Mickoo a correction to the location:
This is Belle isle and probably taken from an arriving Kings X train, the engine is stood on the up siding used to hold engines backing into Kings X from top shed. Given the amount of coal that'll be precisely what it's doing, so why the fireman is looking toward the country end I've no idea as the road is up only and there are no signals in that direction.
This was not a normal running road and was used almost exclusively for the transfer of engines from Top shed to Copenhagen box and then run back here to Belle Isle to wait for clearance into Kings X.
At high level, way up there is the North London Line which crosses the whole vista.
Just above the cab a signal is pulled off, this is 35 controlled by Goods & Mineral, it's the control for engines coming up the ramp from the down slow to Goods & Mineral which will mean one of two things, another light engine is backing out from Kings X and will reverse back to top shed or it's a SR freight coming out of the widened lines and heading for the down goods and probably for Hornsey which was one of the change over points for SR/ER freights I believe.
Brian
An unidentified A1, probably 60156 Great Central or 60157 Great Eastern on the up Yorkshire Pullman at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. At the time of the photo both 60156 and 60157 were Doncaster engines. 60156 then went to York in January 1964 where it was withdrawn in May 1965. 60157 was withdrawn from Doncaster in January 1965. (Yeadon). 60156 was sold to Clayton & Davie, Dunston for scrap in June 1965 and 60157 was sold for scrap to Drapers, Hull, in in February 1965. (BR Database).
A3 60074 Harvester on a down express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It had been a long time resident of Neville Hill being withdrawn from there in April 1963. (SLS). It was scrapped at Doncaster Works in May. (Rail UK). It never received smoke deflectors.
9F 92188 on a down freight at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. In 1962 it was a New England engine, moving to Colwick in June 1963 and then to store in January 1965. (SLS). It was withdrawn from Colwick in February and then went to Drapers in Hull where it was scrapped in May. (BR Database).
An unidentified scruffy and underexposed A4 on an up express passing through Hornsey Station on 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60111 Enterprise on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. The loco had been at its final shed, Grantham, since 1957. It was withdrawn from there on 29th December 1962 which must date this image precisely, so this must have been its final trip in revenue earning service. It went to Doncaster for scrapping which was completed by early April 1963 (BR Database, SLS and Rail UK). Trough deflectors were not fitted until March 1962. (BR Database).
A3 60063 Isinglass originally identified by Tim as on an up express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It received trough deflectors in August 1961. It was a Kings Cross engine at the time, moving away in June and ending up at New England in November where it was withdrawn in June 1964. (SLS). It then went to King's at Norwich where it was scrapped by the end of August 1964. (Rail UK).
Thanks to Mickoo a correction to the location:
This is Belle isle and probably taken from an arriving Kings X train, the engine is stood on the up siding used to hold engines backing into Kings X from top shed. Given the amount of coal that'll be precisely what it's doing, so why the fireman is looking toward the country end I've no idea as the road is up only and there are no signals in that direction.
This was not a normal running road and was used almost exclusively for the transfer of engines from Top shed to Copenhagen box and then run back here to Belle Isle to wait for clearance into Kings X.
At high level, way up there is the North London Line which crosses the whole vista.
Just above the cab a signal is pulled off, this is 35 controlled by Goods & Mineral, it's the control for engines coming up the ramp from the down slow to Goods & Mineral which will mean one of two things, another light engine is backing out from Kings X and will reverse back to top shed or it's a SR freight coming out of the widened lines and heading for the down goods and probably for Hornsey which was one of the change over points for SR/ER freights I believe.
Brian
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mickoo
Western Thunderer
Brian, no.
This is Belle isle and probably taken from an arriving Kings X train, the engine is stood on the up siding used to hold engines backing into Kings X from top shed. Given the amount of coal that'll be precisely what it's doing, so why the fireman is looking toward the country end I've no idea as the road is up only and there are no signals in that direction.
This was not a normal running road and was used almost exclusively for the transfer of engines from Top shed to Copenhagen box and then run back here to Belle Isle to wait for clearance into Kings X.
At high level, way up there is the North London Line which crosses the whole vista.
Just above the cab a signal is pulled off, this is 35 controlled by Goods & Mineral, it's the control for engines coming up the ramp from the down slow to Goods & Mineral which will mean one of two things, another light engine is backing out from Kings X and will reverse back to top shed or it's a SR freight coming out of the widened lines and heading for the down goods and probably for Hornsey which was one of the change over points for SR/ER freights I believe, there were others but it's late......
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Mick - thanks so much for that correction. As you know, I make no apologies for Tim's descriptions, many of which were made some long time after the photos were taken and often without ever printing the negatives. In this case it's an important correction. I'm editing the description for the photo using your info for which I thank you. (See you next week!)
There's an unidentified 9F in there somewhere in this distant view of Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962.
An unidentified Thompson A2 on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60080 Dick Turpin on a down express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It left works with trough deflectors in November 1961 and was shedded at Ardsley at the time of the photo until it moved to Neville Hill in July 1963 and finally Gateshead in January 1964 where it was withdrawn in the following October. (SLS). It was scrapped at Draper's, Hull, by the end of the year. (Rail UK).
Another A3, 60077 The White Knight on an up express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It had received trough deflectors in July 1961. This was another Ardsley engine moving across the border to St Margarets in July 1963 where it was withdrawn a year later. (SLS). It was scrapped at Arnott Young, Carmyle, in October 1964. (BR Database).
A1 60117 Bois Roussel on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. In 1962 it was a Copley Hill, Leeds, engine and moved around a bit before ending up at Gateshead in December 1964 where it was withdrawn in June 1965 although BR Database and Rail UK give the final allocation as Ardsley. (SLS). It was disposed of at Clayton & Davie, Dunston on Tyne by the end of August.
Brian
There's an unidentified 9F in there somewhere in this distant view of Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962.
An unidentified Thompson A2 on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60080 Dick Turpin on a down express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It left works with trough deflectors in November 1961 and was shedded at Ardsley at the time of the photo until it moved to Neville Hill in July 1963 and finally Gateshead in January 1964 where it was withdrawn in the following October. (SLS). It was scrapped at Draper's, Hull, by the end of the year. (Rail UK).
Another A3, 60077 The White Knight on an up express at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. It had received trough deflectors in July 1961. This was another Ardsley engine moving across the border to St Margarets in July 1963 where it was withdrawn a year later. (SLS). It was scrapped at Arnott Young, Carmyle, in October 1964. (BR Database).
A1 60117 Bois Roussel on an up express at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. In 1962 it was a Copley Hill, Leeds, engine and moved around a bit before ending up at Gateshead in December 1964 where it was withdrawn in June 1965 although BR Database and Rail UK give the final allocation as Ardsley. (SLS). It was disposed of at Clayton & Davie, Dunston on Tyne by the end of August.
Brian
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Arun Sharma
Western Thunderer
Dave and Brian - Looking at the shape of the crest above the name plate and the dearth of running plate lubricators, could this actually be one of the later A1s that were named after pre-grouping railways. I agree that I can't quite convince myself that the tender axleboxes have circular roller bearing covers though.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Good spot, definitely a Thompson A2, without seeing the cab it'll be hard to determine between the A2/1 and A2/3.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Arun, I think you, I and Dave are at crossed wires, Dave (I think) and I are talking about the one seen from under the footbridge, in the latest photos.
I believe you're talking about the express heading away in a previous update, in which case you are also correct, it is a Peppercorn A1 with crest.
There are four of these, 147 had a smooth sided tender so not that one, 156 and 157 had riveted tenders with roller bearings so not either of those but 161 had a riveted tender with standard bearings so my thought is that it's 60161 North British heading south.
Better yet, if you look at the first coach at cant rail level to the rear of the door, you can see the name board 'Yorkshire Pullman' which the A1's were common on.
Only 60153-157 were fitted with roller bearings.
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Martin Shaw
Western Thunderer
Re #2039, by Dec 62 the unidentified A3 is one of only 5 possible contenders, coupled to a GN tender but without Witte smoke deflectors. 60097 Humorist had the A1 style deflectors which rules it out, 60041 Salmon Trout and 60090 Grand Parade were at St Margarets and St Rollox respectively which also makes them extremely unlikely, which leaves 60074 Harvester from Neville Hill and 60075 St Frusquin from Heaton. Both had the smokebox numberplate in the high position above the single handrail and there is nothing else really to distinguish them from each other but my gut feel is Harvester.
Regards
Martin
Regards
Martin
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Yup, well spotted, to add, 60074 had a 94A boiler and 60075 had a 107 boiler at this time, this is a 94A boiler with no combustion chamber and straight lower washout plugs so it's 60074.
Arun Sharma
Western Thunderer
Thank you - I agree. Most likely 60161. Additionally, the loco seen through the bridge looks like an A2/3 rather than an A1 [wrong deflectors and steam pipes for the A1/1]. [A1 number corrected on recp of infor from Mickoo]
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mickoo
Western Thunderer
Could have been an A2/1 as far as I can see the front ends are pretty much identical to the A2/3.
The A2/2 has no large deflectors and the solo A1/1 rebuild is different again.
The sand box fillers and backing plates are also slightly different between the 1 and 3 and that has three fillers with the front two spaced wider so makes it an A2/3, got there in the end
Also my typo above, it should be 60161, not 151, I'll amend my original text accordingly.
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Apologies for being a pedant, please can we call these Witte deflectors
.The large Wagner smoke deflectors were blinkers in the UK (after equine parlance), elephant ears in the US and valences on South Australian Railways.
On the other hand we could refer to them as iron horse anti-spooking devices
Overseer
Western Thunderer
Er, no. While not central to your argument, on the South Australian Railways valances were in the usual position below the running board, especially in reference to the wide ones on the streamlined and semi streamlined locos. Smoke deflectors were called smoke deflectors. The 600, 620 and ex-VR 750 classes had versions of Wagner smoke deflectors.
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Thank you all for some great sleuthing Dave, Arun, Mick and Martin. Descriptions have been amended accordingly.
Dave - I appreciate your pedant sensibilities with regard to my description of the smoke deflectors - and no problem attached to that - but they seem to be referred to as "German", "trough" or, as you propose, "Witte" pretty indiscriminately. I'll try to remember but can't guarantee! Perhaps to just remember to call them "smoke deflectors" covers all ground.
Class V2 60871 down light engine at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. Previously in post #932 60871 had been shedded on the GCR at both Leicester and Woodford Halse until 1955 but then went to Doncaster. It was at Kings Cross from July 1961, then in February 1963 it was at New England. By June 1963 it had ended up at Doncaster again and was withdrawn from there in the September (SLS) and was scrapped at Doncaster Works in the November. (BR Database).
This is from a film with an adjacent ID number to the pictures above but no confirmed data from Tim. I'm guessing - and I think it's a fairly safe bet - that they are the immediate follow up so are identified a such.
A1 60157 Great Eastern at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. This has appeared previously in post #2155. It was a Doncaster engine being withdrawn in January 1965. (SLS). It went to Draper's at Hull where it was scrapped in February 1965. (BR Database)
An unidentified V2 2-6-2 at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60039 at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. This has been on WT quite recently, in post #2287. It was a 34A Kings Cross loco where it had lived since 1957. The smoke deflectors were fitted at Doncaster between 12th April and 2nd June 1961 when it received a General overhaul. It was withdrawn in March 1963 (SLS) and was disposed of at Doncaster Works by early April. (Rail UK).
An unidentified A4 at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. This is probably 60007, Sir Nigel Gresley, but could be 60004, William Whitelaw although that's unlikely as 4 was shedded at St Margarets at the time whereas 60007 was a Kings Cross engine, not leaving until June 1963 to go to New England, thence to St Margarets in November and then Aberdeen Ferryhill where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1966. (SLS).
Another unidentified A4, probably 60023 Golden Eagle or 60026 Miles Beevor at Hornsey (the box confirms the location) 29th - 31st December 1962.
A4 60026 has been seen previously in post #2385 (where details can be found) which was on the same day so seems the less likely of the two candidates. However 60023 was a Gateshead engine which seems to chime with its poor external appearance. It left for St Margarets in November 1963, thence to Aberdeen Ferryhill in June 1964 where it was withdrawn in October. (SLS). By December it was scrapped at Motherwell Machinery & Scrap, Wishaw. (BR Database).
Brian
Dave - I appreciate your pedant sensibilities with regard to my description of the smoke deflectors - and no problem attached to that - but they seem to be referred to as "German", "trough" or, as you propose, "Witte" pretty indiscriminately. I'll try to remember but can't guarantee! Perhaps to just remember to call them "smoke deflectors" covers all ground.
Class V2 60871 down light engine at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. Previously in post #932 60871 had been shedded on the GCR at both Leicester and Woodford Halse until 1955 but then went to Doncaster. It was at Kings Cross from July 1961, then in February 1963 it was at New England. By June 1963 it had ended up at Doncaster again and was withdrawn from there in the September (SLS) and was scrapped at Doncaster Works in the November. (BR Database).
This is from a film with an adjacent ID number to the pictures above but no confirmed data from Tim. I'm guessing - and I think it's a fairly safe bet - that they are the immediate follow up so are identified a such.
A1 60157 Great Eastern at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. This has appeared previously in post #2155. It was a Doncaster engine being withdrawn in January 1965. (SLS). It went to Draper's at Hull where it was scrapped in February 1965. (BR Database)
An unidentified V2 2-6-2 at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962.
A3 60039 at Hornsey on 29th - 31st December 1962. This has been on WT quite recently, in post #2287. It was a 34A Kings Cross loco where it had lived since 1957. The smoke deflectors were fitted at Doncaster between 12th April and 2nd June 1961 when it received a General overhaul. It was withdrawn in March 1963 (SLS) and was disposed of at Doncaster Works by early April. (Rail UK).
An unidentified A4 at Hornsey 29th - 31st December 1962. This is probably 60007, Sir Nigel Gresley, but could be 60004, William Whitelaw although that's unlikely as 4 was shedded at St Margarets at the time whereas 60007 was a Kings Cross engine, not leaving until June 1963 to go to New England, thence to St Margarets in November and then Aberdeen Ferryhill where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1966. (SLS).
Another unidentified A4, probably 60023 Golden Eagle or 60026 Miles Beevor at Hornsey (the box confirms the location) 29th - 31st December 1962.
A4 60026 has been seen previously in post #2385 (where details can be found) which was on the same day so seems the less likely of the two candidates. However 60023 was a Gateshead engine which seems to chime with its poor external appearance. It left for St Margarets in November 1963, thence to Aberdeen Ferryhill in June 1964 where it was withdrawn in October. (SLS). By December it was scrapped at Motherwell Machinery & Scrap, Wishaw. (BR Database).
Brian
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