7mm Pencarrow - Cornish BR(S)

[Pencarrow]

These are about the best shots I can find (small sections of larger photos) to illustrate what was actually in the corner I'm thinking of placing the wharf building in.






Depth-wise I could fit the hut, bank and wall in but... The wall and bank raising up left to right doesn't sit well with the provender stores (which are too close to the right) and despite trying a few things out in low relief, I can't get anything to work behind the wall to give an impression that the view continues. The eye does get drawn into the corner and there's nothing there.

Hence last week's thoughts about going off-piste and introducing a variation on the wharf buildings. Still quite like the idea, another play today perhaps?

 

[Pencarrow]

Ah.

You could always have a half width lean-to building and set it set back a cm or two so as not to mirror the right hand side in the same frontage plane. Then take the outer wall out towards the rear at the same angle as the grain store and create a ginnel (alley). It would be an odd shaped building but they do exist...

Morning Dave, I am trying to incorporate some sort of alley or cut through into the scene, perhaps borrowing the steps and gate in the above photos. Like the idea of a couple of young spotters sneaking into the site...

 

[Pencarrow]

Not connected with the above task but nice...

Breathing new life into old views

 

[Pencarrow]

Had a rethink about Dave's suggestion of including the prototype third gable. It does fit if I leave the wall and gate off the rhs.



I think I'm going to make the building anyway as even if I don't use it here I do have somewhere else it could go.

The rear two tracks on the fiddle yard board aren't really for fiddling but form a pair of sidings worked off the main boards. As such I'm going to scenic them - ballast, green stuff and a backdrop of yard buildings. These could go there.

I'm also coming around to the idea that the backscene does not form a scenic break between the main boards and fiddle but goes around the back of the fiddle as well.

 

[Geoff]

I think your latest ideas work ever so well Chris, there's plenty going on but the scene doesn't look cramped.

The idea of taking the backscene around the fiddle yard is a good one, I find that it creates a feeling of space and gives the impression of the line continuing into the distance.

Geoff

 

[Pencarrow]

And as a final check, I've added a few sides and roofs. The right hand building will be set about 10mm lower than the left.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

I concur with Geoff regarding the ideas and adding scenery to the fiddle/staging yard. The addition of the third LHS building also breaks up the symmetry of the other two.

From an artistic viewpoint (apologies in advance for the Brian Sewell moment ) I would be inclined to move the buildings about 10 - 20mm to the left so the right end lean-to wall does not end in the same plane as the end of the cattle dock/loading ramp/platform. This will add to the impression the LSWR re-modelled the area and built their infrastructure without regard to existing building lines. Although this would narrow the ginnel slightly the gates and steps will still fit adding to the air of mystery as to what lies beyond....

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

Just noticed from the last photos the end of the lean-to may not be same plane as the end of the cattle dock - camera angles and all that

 

[Pencarrow]

Dave / Geoff

Thanks for the comments, it's good to have constructive challenge. To make some of the constraints a bit clearer I've added a few missing bits of the story below.

The wharf buildings and grain store form part of the original terminus. The land in the far corner is higher than the original tracks. The wharf buildings were rail served so need room to fit a length of track in.



In the photo I've also added the missing buttresses from the grain store and a few bits of stuff to show the ground rising to the rear corner.




With the buttresses etc in place you'll see there is less space than originally shown for the alley and steps. If I move the wharf buildings much further left, the track needed to rail serve the end wharf would not reach far enough for a wagon to be unloaded at the first floor doors.



Hope that makes sense. It does seem to be coming together now though. Cheers.

 

[Pencarrow]

Just noticed from the last photos the end of the lean-to may not be same plane as the end of the cattle dock - camera angles and all that

Looks like this straight on...

I should add that the track laid temporarily outside the wharf buildings won't be present. In my back story, as per Bodmin North, the original station was remodeled and track removed. To we'd new track was lower to ease a gradient and give a level platform and yard lines.

I may bury about 6" of rail outside the left hand wharf buildings though just to hint at the history, although I suspect that the LSWR would have scrapped the rail.

 

[Pencarrow]

Just to clarify what Peter mentioned on the last page. Old photos show that, in the pre-LSWR layout, the grain store had a track going into the building. Like below but the rail heads at road level.



I've aligned the wharf buildings parallel to this track. We can imagine how the original yard had 3 or 4 sidings in it....

 

[Obblygobbly]

You probably know this already, but old OS maps show the line going right through the building and out the other side at one time. This is from 1881

 

[Pencarrow]

You probably know this already, but old OS maps show the line going right through the building and out the other side at one time. This is from 1881

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Yes, must only have been lowish 3-4 plank open wagons though as photos don't show the opening in the grain store having much headroom.

I've seen that 1881 map before but not as clear as that - what's the source?

Many thanks.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

Looks like this straight on...

As you have alluded to it's coming together and this looks good . I presume the station building in the foreground is larger and therefore the smaller buildings in the background will add to the illusion of depth.

With the buttresses etc in place you'll see there is less space than originally shown for the alley and steps.

I'd never considered the buttresses - all makes sense now.

I may bury about 6" of rail outside the left hand wharf buildings though just to hint at the history,

I would - it will make a talking point. To confuse everyone and for a laugh you could occasionally place an 1880's LSWR wagon on this section and let everyone work out how it got there .

Old photos show that, in the pre-LSWR layout, the grain store had a track going into the building. Like below but the rail heads at road level.

I'd be inclined to have the rail head just peeping out from underneath the bricked up door but not in the road to hint that something was there.

Just waiting for the next installment....

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

but old OS maps show the line going right through the building and out the other side at one time. This is from 1881

Does the wagon turntable imply the track also went between the two bay windowed buildings? If so you some rail could be left buried in here.

This gets more interesting. It would be good to see a larger area of the map.

 

[Pencarrow]

Dave, I've dug the station building mock up (card again) out of the storage box and put it on the board so you can see how it all fits together...



Edit: looking at these photos a day later I do now think the wharf buildings help balance the weight of the station building and canopy.

 

[Yorkshire Dave]

Looks impressive with the buildings in situ. Tantalising views to come when completed.

The low level photos in the sequence, to me, shows how the background buildings prevents the eye wandering beyond. Instead you are drawn to look left and right to follow the buildings. I don't think the grassy knoll bank would have the same effect.

And to quote Shakespeare's Henry V completely out of context for the next developments.... The game's afoot; Follow your spirit: and upon this charge, Cry — God for Pencarrow! Cornwall and some ale!

 

[Obblygobbly]

I've seen that 1881 map before but not as clear as that - what's the source?

Many thanks.

I just looked and it is now available as a 1:500 map from the Old-Maps.co.uk site.

Can't remember now where I got my copy. It was quite a while ago. On my map, I had shaded in the tracks for clarity.

 

[Pencarrow]

And we're off...


Parts being cut out from a layer of 30thou, which will then be laminated to produce a thicker wall.


Slightly better than a fag packet sketch?

 

[Pencarrow]

I've decided to use Wills sheets for the stonework. These are sanded flat and will have extra coursing added to better match what I can see in the photos.


The building is just under 2 Wills sheets wide so I've split the sheets at suitable places (door and window openings) so that's I get a join between the gables.



What I tend to do is glue the sheet to the plasticard and then cut the openings out from behind.