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Brian McKenzie

Brian McKenzie

Western Thunderer
The curvature of that trackwork would surely strain some loco frames?

I've seen plate frame design where provision for some flexibility at frame spacers was made, but how did this work if frames were 'locked up' by an internal cylinder block or smokebox saddle at front, and potentially a cast drag box at rear?

-Brian McK.
 
AndyB

AndyB

Western Thunderer
Nice example of interlaced timbering in the turnouts in the snowplough pic.
@martin_wynne - any additional comments?
Also the mechanism in the four-foot in the left-hand track. There was a discussion on the Templot forum recently about a similar mechanism which didn't reach a decisive conclusion as to what it was / how it worked. It is clearer in the picture here.
 
simond

simond

Western Thunderer
AndyB said:
Also the mechanism in the four-foot in the left-hand track.
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I assumed that it’s the fouling bar of a facing point lock, but I do not understand why the same mechanism does not appear on the preceding point and the slip, both of which which must also be facing, assuming the running lines are the pair to the left of the view.
 
Martin Shaw

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
It's actually a depression bar, used to determine that a vehicle is not standing fouling the clearing point. It can be either mechanical or electrical in operation and whilst there is a box thing at the extreme left hand side of the photo on the 4ft which would point to electricity being the medium, there is a significant quantity of point rods disappearing into the distance. I agree with Tim that it points to the NER not least by the snow plough and the birdcage break van. I think the plough is one of the three 18/19/20 built at York in 1909 which possibly points to Tweedmouth/ Bishop Auckland/ Shildon/West Auckland pre nationalisation which I think is the age of the photo.
Martin
 
Stephen Freeman

Stephen Freeman

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Rob R said:
Royal train duty, Kings Cross - Sandringham (or t'other way round)?
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Well the signals look GNR and the loco looks to be a NBR, as to location I haven't a clue though looking at the coaches perhaps not a royal train. Given the topography, if I had to guess I'd say probably near Edinburgh. The tender insignia could also be either LNER or NER, it's not totally clear but signals are definitely GNR. I don't see a G on the tender and I am looking on a 42" screen.
 
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Rob R

Rob R

Western Thunderer
The loco is a D15 Claud Hamilton ex GER. Someone has used a lot of white paint (cab roof), brasso and elbow grease to pretty it up.
Royals weren't allowed into Liverpool Street without a lot of fuss (City of London) so the Sandringham trains ran from KingsX via Cambridge.
 
James Spooner

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
8783 was one of the two Royal Clauds maintained in top condition at Cambridge for the royal trains to Wolferton (for Sandringham). Royal trains had four lamps on the loco, so this is an ordinary passenger service, somewhere that would be hauled by a Cambridge based loco, possibly one of the Cambridge buffet car expresses to Kings X?

Nigel
 
Martin Shaw

Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
Since we have been discusssing GER 4-4-0s in Tim Mills thread this is a bit if a bonus. 8783 was one of the 10 Super Clauds actually built by the LNER in 1923 as a D16/1, essentially a superheated boiler with a Belpaire firebox and a short smokebox. It was allocated to Stratford 10/7/23 from new. It went into Stratford Works for a general overhaul on 24/2/28, emerging on 1/6/28 as a D16/2 with an extended smokebox and a coal rail on the tender and visually prettied up in a way we find unusual but wonderful today as the royal train engine. This dates the photo as post 1/6/28 and possibly prior to 7/10/30 when it was transferred to Cambridge. 8787 followed from Stratford two weeks later to act as the standby for royal duties.

It had a further general overhaul at Stratford from 2/6/39 to 2/12/39 when it was rebuilt as a D16/3, visually a round top firebox. Therefore the photo is sometime in the late 20's or 30s and given the sparkling condition earlier rather than later in that period IMO. I suspect Nigel is correct in that it might well be a buffet car express. On a personal note my father was born in Cambridge in 1924 so its entirely possible that he saw 8783 in this condition, he and his brothers being rather keen on railways as befitted the era.
Martin
 
J

J_F_S

Western Thunderer
Heather Kay said:
Ah, so that’s how they reprofile FS wheels to S7.
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Well, there is SOMETHING fishy going on, because that looks like a brand newly re-turned tyre to me - with a cross chalked on it! Perhaps an expensive clanger was dropped. (looks like the flange did not fully clean-up).

If so, fancy being the perpetrator: bad enough the wrath of the boss, then to discover that the result of your handiwork is on sale as a postcard :)

Really enjoying this thread - many thanks to all.

Howard
 
Renovater

Renovater

Western Thunderer
J_F_S said:
Well, there is SOMETHING fishy going on, because that looks like a brand newly re-turned tyre to me - with a cross chalked on it! Perhaps an expensive clanger was dropped. (looks like the flange did not fully clean-up).

If so, fancy being the perpetrator: bad enough the wrath of the boss, then to discover that the result of your handiwork is on sale as a postcard :)

Really enjoying this thread - many thanks to all.

Howard
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On sale as a postcard ? Please tell me more. The image i posted is of the original photo and if it was intended for a postcard any information would be most welcome, thanks in advance....Colin
 
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