Hi TonyGood point Dave - they are nice wheels, but not 100% accurate for a Manor.
I'm not sure it's that simple and clear cut, although I know very little about GWR locos so probably wrong on several counts. The thing is Mark Wood doesn't actually sell castings for a Manor per se, however he does have castings for a Grange which does have the crank-pin in line with a spoke and on his site he says this wheel was suitable for the early batch of Manors built. Definitive google images are scant on details but there is this one of Erlestoke Manor which does seem to have the crankpin inline with the spoke. Also the bogie wheels show a heavy tread similar to the that on the model. So perhaps not a million miles out - as always I would work from an actual photo of the specific loco.Hi Tony
It's an odd choice. The driving wheel axle hubs and crankpin hubs are so wrong. The crankpin is in-line with a spoke rather than between spokes as it should be. Even the bogie wheels look odd. The only things that seem to be accurate are the diameters and numbers of spokes!
Yes.Did the Manors have an exhaust injector?
No I gathered that Tony, no accounting for other peoples tastesVery nice - the wheels were supplied by the customer......not my choice...
Regards
Tony
No... I've not tried those pies JB.... but there again, I don't generally eat meat!
You can just get away having the spoke inline with the crankpin as the early 43's and 51's had this but thats about it, sorry. That's what you should be looking for, that's the later 5'-8" driver done to the works drawing, that was my first of test casting I did last yearView attachment 82173
Justin I think you've misinterpreted what I was trying to get across. The point of me saying that you can get away with the crank pin inline (as per Tony's wheels) is exactly for the reason you stated that the early Manors were rebuilds of 43XX'x which had the old version of wheel with the crankpin inline with a spoke. Thats probably the only thing semi-plausible on these wheels apart from the amount of spokes and O/D of the wheel, eveything else just doesn't look rightI'm sorry but this is just not right. Manors had both wheels with both types of crankpin position and the only way of knowing which one was on a particular locomotive at what point is a dated photograph!
In an attempt to clarify the misinformation being given in this thread there were actually 3 types of GWR 5' 8" fitted to the Large Praries, Moguls, Granges and Manors. Crank in line with a small hub, crank in line with a large hub and then the crank between the spokes. They were developments of each other, in that order, and they were all interchangeable.
The first 20 Manors were built with Mogul wheels which had the crank in line, the last 10 with crank between the spoke. After that the wheels could be changed at overhaul and anything could go on. From my own visual observations whilst reasearching potential locos most of the Moguls, Granges and Manors most of the time had crank in line wheels (the Granges like the first 20 Manors used Moguls wheels). The crank between spoke wheels came relatively late to the party and there were less of them made. They only really became common on the Granges and Manors (aside from the BR built batch) in the late 50s and 60s when, presumably, withdrawls meant older wheels could be disposed of.
It is not necessarily that easy to tell which crank pin position is on a wheelset when fitted to the loco but one tell tale sign, on the front and rear wheelsets at least, is the balance weights. They covered 5 spokes on the crank in line wheels and 6 on the crank between spoke wheels. The centre wheels were the same on both types.
A small selection of Manors with crank in line wheels:
7802
7805
7815
7826
7827
Note that 2 of the above are BR built engines. Plenty of photographs of Manors and Granges about though it is not always easy to tell which type of wheel is fitted. It's worth having a dig around if anyone is interested in this sort of thing.
Whatever the merits of the actual casstings used on the Manor build on this thread the crankpin position may not be one of them.
Justin
When he finally gets them to me Tony they will be insulated the same way as AGH wheels with hub insulation.Thanks for the input chaps - interesting stuff. That's what makes building these models so interesting, there is an infinite minutia of detail! I know a lot more about Manors than when I started this project.
I had seen that picture Justin - I didn't spot the different leading drivers though.
Just as an aside Elliot- how are your wheel sets insulated?
Regards
Tony
Justin, no need to apologise, things are easily lost in translation on hereApologies. I think I should really stay away from forums, this kind of thing happens too often...
Lovely wheel castings by the way.
Justin