PMV races

Steve Cook

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Well done Jamie, it looks like you have made a smashing job of that :)
Plastic might be a bit quicker to manipulate, but you started with a drawing, scratchbuilt just about everything and have seen it through to the end - you are a worthy winner as far as I am concerned. If I was wearing a hat, I would doff it in your direction!
Steve
 
jamiepage

jamiepage

Western Thunderer
Thank you, Steve.
I was going to put up this picture of S1409S being manoeuvred into the works as the end of the build. Unfortunately, on top of whatever work was scheduled, they will have to fit buffer heads and screw link couplings. Forgot all about them, so it's still not finished.
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D816Foxhound

D816Foxhound

Western Thunderer
The last two days have seen a bit more airbrush action on my PMV, roof and undersides sprayed in "roof dirt" and "frame dirt" respectively.
It doesn't look like much has been done below sole bar level and I think I spent more time masking off the body than actually spraying the undersides. Next task is to do a bit of detail painting and transfers before weathering.

MOD PMV 11.jpg

Roger.
 
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D816Foxhound

D816Foxhound

Western Thunderer
Hello Steve,

Yes, the windows are staying blue. I substituted brass sheet for clear sheet as it made the painting stage a lot more straight forward.
And a bit of modeller's licence suggests that there was at least one PMV in blue without windows!

Roger
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
I have just spent three hours plus in the shed and have now got the vertical stanchions down one side finished. I have also removed the two wrongly placed diagonals on the same side. Unlike Steve I used the parts provided in the kit, which results in all the bolt heads more or less coinciding with the gaps between the planks:rolleyes:

Next up is to do the same for the other side, maybe tomorrow night.

I won't be building another.....

Simon
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Nah, back to scratchbuilding.

This kit might have been OK when it was first done and in a smaller scale, but to be brutally frank if I were the originator I'd be buying back the artwork and either destroying it or sorting it out.

I'm going to finish the b*st*rd, but by today's standards its quite frankly a pile of crap.

Very many more have been purchased than completed, and based upon experience here a lot have made it into landfill along the way, which is probably the best place for them.

I am feeling a bit p:shit:ssed off with it as you can probably guess.

Simon
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
You are quite right Brian, my soldering skills are being honed as I chisel away at this monstrosity. I don't think this kit is that to which you refer, but then I believe there are very many other "challenging" kits available for those of us with a masochistic bent:confused:

Scratch building has never been easier....

Anyway, washing up done, tea made - I'm off out to the shed to do battle, accompanied by Radio Four Extra:thumbs:

Simon
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Back from the shed, it's not pretty and it's not clever but it is progress.

All vertical stanchions on both sides now finished, window frames in on this side. Bit more cleaning up to do and I'm contemplating the door framing options. All end diagonals removed, options being considered here too.

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Simon
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Well, other side window frames now in, edges of door panels vertically "scrawked" to suggest shut line (nowhere near as neat as Cookie's elegant solution but sort of works), and all four door panels are now soldered in place on the body.

It's not getting any neater, but another small step forwards. It will get a bit of a clean up once I have finished soldering stuff.

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Does anyone know what the bars behind the windows were made of, I'm wondering whether they were timber sections?

Simon
 
Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Simon, thanks for posting the photos. I now understand what you are wrestling with. The bolt head locations are certainly quirky. It should look good once you are finished but agree it would probably have been easier to scratch build, and more therapeutic.
 
D6356

D6356

Western Thunderer
Hi Bars behind windows were metal rods with a beaten end to provide two bolt holes - most fixed in with coach screws. I would guess dia of bar around 5/8". Say this as FR carriage works had loads in boxes EX BR/ NE stock ex Darlington and looking inside vehicles as a youngster at Bristol looked the same but do not recall if a PMV or GUVs got my look over in East dock.
Hopefully a full answer from elsewhere
Cheers
Robert
 
AJC

AJC

Western Thunderer
D6356 said:
Hi Bars behind windows were metal rods with a beaten end to provide two bolt holes - most fixed in with coach screws. I would guess dia of bar around 5/8". Say this as FR carriage works had loads in boxes EX BR/ NE stock ex Darlington and looking inside vehicles as a youngster at Bristol looked the same but do not recall if a PMV or GUVs got my look over in East dock.
Hopefully a full answer from elsewhere
Cheers
Robert
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On a lot of vehicles, yes, but not on SR PMVs/CCTs - as can be seen here: SECR, SR & BR(S) PMV NPCS Passenger luggage vans

I suspect, but don't know, that they were/are steel strip of two different widths. In model form some sort of flat strip does the job.

Adam
 
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Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Thanks for the info, I'm pondering suitable materials in the model, probably timber or plastikard I think.

In the meantime I have now finished soldering this brute and am now heading off piste into plastikard and bodgery.

First off, here are my scribed door shut lines which I think actually work well enough for a minimum of effort.

Door1.jpg

You can see my home brewed solebar, required as I completely trashed the brass ones supplied in the kit. I did scrawk out two strips of etch brass etch waste which was epoxied to my styrene items to give them some strength.

The whitemetal axlebox/axleguards supplied by Ken are solid and a bit rough, and after damaging my fingers separating three of the brutes into constituent parts to allow springing with my Peter Korzelius axleguards, I couldn't find the fourth. Sanity struck me, I fished out some spare Slaters mouldings (they are from the milk tank wagon kit) and cut them apart and then stuck them back together with beefed up the springs, job now done for all four.

Door2.jpg

Next up is fabricating SR style axleboxes,one of the whitemetal ones is under the W iron.

And the buffers, those supplied remain a bit rough after cleaning up, I think I may use some Neil Butcher ones I have in stock, although they aren't quite the right pattern, both types seen here.

Door3.jpg

I may get some more done today..

Simon
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Axleboxes now look more like Southern ones, just need three boltheads across their faces adding. Also now all formed up in to working units that slide up and down the Peter Korzelius W irons, and they are also fitted with ballraces. Still to be added are the functioning springs, I think there will be a slight issue of ride height to sort out.

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I have also had to move a few of my rivet heads on the solebar and need to move a few more.

Back to the body next I think.

Simon
 
Steve Cook

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Steady on old bean, you may be stealing a march here :p At least you've caught up now :))
You're still not tempting me to restart mine...
Steve
 
Simon

Simon

Flying Squad
Thought I needed a spell in purgatory after this morning, so I have been concocting brake linkages around the wheels as best I can from photographs of the real thing.

purgavan.jpg

Full piercing saw and etch waste lunacy and even then the geometry isn't quite right.

Good enough though, it's very hard to see any of this from any normal viewing angle anyway, but at least the brake yokes now have somewhere to go.

The yokes are plastikard fabricated around unbent paper clips, which are attached to these re-worked Slaters milk tank brake shoes. Whoops, the one on the left got a bit close to the soldering iron!

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And a few weeks ago I started the home grown plastic door hinges, first set nearly finished.

Rigged.jpg
Maybe I don't dislike it as much as I did, It'll be nice when its finished....
 
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