Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Anywho, I've been wide awake since 3am so I might as well post some roof progress.

The width of the building now varies as the side wall and beam are displaced outwards. The gutter line on that side has also sunk. Dodgy builders! This will effect the position of the ridge line. But how much?

I cut a cocktail stick to the length of the slope at the gable end. This was to work out how much vertical sag to put in the ridge line and where the horizontal curve should go. A slightly iterative process offsetting the ridge line strip horizontally so that the cocktail stick hit the same vertical point on each side at intervals along the ridge line.

Once the horizontal curve was formed, and the glue set, the ridge line was trimmed vertically along those points. Triangular formers were then cut to suit each location but with a slight sag cut into the diagonal.

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The smaller triangles were put in initially to hold the curve in place and make the base more rigid to aid measuring up the triangles.

Horizontal strips of 20thou were then added following the curved formers.

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This is the side adjoining the second building so the gutterline is reasonably straight. Turning it around you can see how the top strip has been trimmed to the shape of the ridge line. Note also holes drilled in the base to let the solvent vapour escape.

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Repeat with the horizontal strips on this side. Note that the strips fit within the gable ends flush with the top.

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Strips of 30thou were then added across the roof at 90deg to the first layer. Note the these strips overlap the gable ends.

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Why 2 layers and thin strips rather than just one large rectangle? This is to overcome issues I've had over the years with roofs coming unstuck and not following the curve of the formers. Very annoying when the roof pops and lifts - the plasticard doesn't like being curved or dished.

Working in strips allows you access to make sure each gets a good dose of solvent to the former. The thin strips also readily take up the curved profile and the two layers make for a rigid surface. It doesn't matter if they don't exactly join along their entire length as they will be covered in tiles.

The end result is quite satisfying to see the subtle curves and irregularities. Easy to see and feel but hard to pick up in a flat photo.

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Looking the part and now lots of tidying to do on the stonework corners and joins.

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Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
That’s a clever piece of modelling Chris. The multi-strip method of roofing is a useful tip. I had awful trouble gluing the 0.8mm ply roof onto my 16mm scale brake van recently. The strip method would have solved the problem.

He's just abnormally tall...

I know the feeling, at 6’5” tall, I sometimes collide with low door ways.

Slightly concerned that nobody has picked up that Grandpa Simpson is possibly a little out of period.

Simples, just paint the figure as you would any other....... :rolleyes:
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Back from the docs. Looks like I have two weeks off - knew I didn't feel well. Always worth getting stuff checked out.
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Well, take it easy, enjoy the modelling, get well soon & get well thoroughly!

Best
Simon

Cheers Simon

Well, a fair while back Grahame sent me the kind gift of of some Preiser Quarry Stone wall sections (ref 18215).

This is what I've done with a load of them:

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Just balanced at the moment to give the idea. There's about 40 parts in the two wall sections. Tricky to join whilst loosing the joint but copious MEK sorts that!

Cheers Grahame.
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Anywho, I've been wide awake since 3am so I might as well post some roof progress.

The width of the building now varies as the side wall and beam are displaced outwards. The gutter line on that side has also sunk. Dodgy builders! This will effect the position of the ridge line. But how much?

I cut a cocktail stick to the length of the slope at the gable end. This was to work out how much vertical sag to put in the ridge line and where the horizontal curve should go. A slightly iterative process offsetting the ridge line strip horizontally so that the cocktail stick hit the same vertical point on each side at intervals along the ridge line.

Once the horizontal curve was formed, and the glue set, the ridge line was trimmed vertically along those points. Triangular formers were then cut to suit each location but with a slight sag cut into the diagonal.

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The smaller triangles were put in initially to hold the curve in place and make the base more rigid to aid measuring up the triangles.

Horizontal strips of 20thou were then added following the curved formers.

View attachment 97058

This is the side adjoining the second building so the gutterline is reasonably straight. Turning it around you can see how the top strip has been trimmed to the shape of the ridge line. Note also holes drilled in the base to let the solvent vapour escape.

View attachment 97057

Repeat with the horizontal strips on this side. Note that the strips fit within the gable ends flush with the top.

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Strips of 30thou were then added across the roof at 90deg to the first layer. Note the these strips overlap the gable ends.

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Why 2 layers and thin strips rather than just one large rectangle? This is to overcome issues I've had over the years with roofs coming unstuck and not following the curve of the formers. Very annoying when the roof pops and lifts - the plasticard doesn't like being curved or dished.

Working in strips allows you access to make sure each gets a good dose of solvent to the former. The thin strips also readily take up the curved profile and the two layers make for a rigid surface. It doesn't matter if they don't exactly join along their entire length as they will be covered in tiles.

The end result is quite satisfying to see the subtle curves and irregularities. Easy to see and feel but hard to pick up in a flat photo.

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Looking the part and now lots of tidying to do on the stonework corners and joins.

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Now if you'd of cut individual rafters and ridge board, it would of automatically set the sag. Nice work anyway.
 

GrahameH

Western Thunderer
Cheers Simon

Well, a fair while back Grahame sent me the kind gift of of some Preiser Quarry Stone wall sections (ref 18215).

This is what I've done with a load of them:

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Just balanced at the moment to give the idea. There's about 40 parts in the two wall sections. Tricky to join whilst loosing the joint but copious MEK sorts that!

Cheers Grahame.

Hi mate,

I've been following ( obviously ! ) and thoroughly enjoying you methods for the roof build + the rest.

I certainly feel you have done the Preiser Quarry Stone wall sections justice on the build and they work well to my eyes. I'm happy to have sent them on knowing that they would have been used in a workmanlike manner, which I think they certainly have !

Knowing you and your sense of humour I am definitely not surprised to see a certain character appear in these shots and shows with all the hard work that there is still a place for humour too.

Hark at me, being serious too !!!

Anyway, look after yourself and I trust health matters will improve rapidly for you.

G

p.s. I don't think they'd ( wall sections ) have come to much in what I propose over and above which I have just taken a break for half an hour from ripping up all my small stuff in the railway room now that I have converted to the Big Boys trains !
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Hi mate,

I've been following ( obviously ! ) and thoroughly enjoying you methods for the roof build + the rest.

I certainly feel you have done the Preiser Quarry Stone wall sections justice on the build and they work well to my eyes. I'm happy to have sent them on knowing that they would have been used in a workmanlike manner, which I think they certainly have !

Knowing you and your sense of humour I am definitely not surprised to see a certain character appear in these shots and shows with all the hard work that there is still a place for humour too.

Hark at me, being serious too !!!

Anyway, look after yourself and I trust health matters will improve rapidly for you.

G

Cheers BGchap,

I must admit I was quite sceptical about how well the wall sections would knit together but the mouldings are really good and it just takes a brush with a coarse file, a good amount of MEK and some pressure and you can hardly see the joins. The patterns are nice too, no blindingly obvious repeating pattern or stand out stones (unlike the Wills sheets).



Thanks again for sending them through.
 

Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
Back from the docs. Looks like I have two weeks off - knew I didn't feel well. Always worth getting stuff checked out.

Mrs C is in hospital with pneumonia ☹️. I’m now chief pony (4) mucker out, dog (2) carer and Walker, head cook and bottle washer + auxiliary laundry maid! Time for model making = 0. Time for WT, minimal. Keep up the good work Chris, I need something to inspire me and keep up the morale!!!!
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Paul I wish Mrs C well, I had pneumonia along with other things, back in 2005. Not a nice thing to have but very easy to get over following docs instructions.

Mine cured my smoking habit. But unfortunately not my urge to over eat. Now not working it shows.
 

Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
Paul I wish Mrs C well, I had pneumonia along with other things, back in 2005. Not a nice thing to have but very easy to get over following docs instructions.

Mine cured my smoking habit. But unfortunately not my urge to over eat. Now not working it shows.

Mrs C’s pneumonia is made more complex by her COPD, which was caused by her smoking habit. She gave that up pronto years before we met, but has to live with the affects of it. A salutary lesson in the evils of the weed.
 

GrahameH

Western Thunderer
Cheers Rob, can't take it too seriously can you?!

Must get a mermaid for the layout - Treneglos had one (I still have her) by the stream. Caused a few folk to tut but many raise a smile.

If you're going to do that then she'll have a multitude of GWR wagons to be transported onto the layout by .... Crocodile / Bloater / Tadpole / Serpent etc, the choice is yours !
 

Paul Cambridge

Western Thunderer
Cheers Rob, can't take it too seriously can you?!

Must get a mermaid for the layout - Treneglos had one (I still have her) by the stream. Caused a few folk to tut but many raise a smile.

I’ve got a couple of subtle funnies on Kelly Bray. Apart from Oliver Bulleid who seems to turn up everywhere, Albert Einstein is waiting for the train. The model is set in 1948 and we are in 2019. It’s an extreme example of Time Dilation, one of the tenants of General Relativity . Perhaps I should tell folk Schrödinger’s cat lives in one of the wicker baskets on the platform (Physics joke). For the benefit of Stubby and Captain Kernow, there’s a table with Cornish Pasties and bucket of rhubarb for sale (RMWeb SWAG joke). Making 7mm scale pasties and rhubarb sticks was fun! Sometimes we take our hobby too seriously I think; viz 4mm gauge wars in other places. Fortunately WT is free from this, which is why I like this forum. There’s some really brilliant stuff being built that I can only aspire to on here. Your buildings Chris are far superior to mine. I’m not down hearted, just inspired. What Mickoo did with that County kit was sensational. Most folk would have cast it into Mount Doom.
 
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