Prototype Tim Mills' Photos

[40057]

I wonder if the loco in #877 is in fact 60008 Dwight D.Eisenhower, a Kings X engine at the time of the photo and subsequently withdrawn in July 63.

Martin

I think it’s 60005.

 

[Martin Shaw]

I think it’s 60005.

It could well be, both 60005 Sir Charles Newton and 60008 Dwight D Eisenhower had similar length nameplates and both were coupled to non-corridor tenders however Sir Charles lived at Gateshead whose A4s were not common at the southern end of the ECML and later in 63 it went to St Margarets, so on balance I think I prefer my original thought.

 

[simond]

I have identified the signal box interior in #876 as Hornsey No 1 which controlled the down lines and was located at the London end of the down platform. It dates from 1888 and was a GNR type 2 box, timber built with no ornamentation, and may have been supplied by McKenzie & Holland. The lever frame is a most likely a GN Duplex frame that was probably installed at some later date. The diagram to hand dated 1970 shows levers 8 & 14 working det placers on the down slow 1 & 2 respectively whereas the phtotgraph distinctly shows that they are spare. It closed in Dec 1974.

Andy
The loop handles are wire adjusters and note that they are adjacent to levers 7 and 12, the distant for Down Slow No 1 and inner distant for Down Slow No 2. The adjuster for lever No 2, the Down Fast distant is the worm wheel contraption on the front wall of the box visible in the gap where levers 5/6/7 are reversed.

Martin

Martin, Andy,
Thanks for that explanation. Saved me asking

Can anyone explain the rod, pole or handle sticking out and down between levers 14&15?

ta
Simon

 

[Martin Shaw]

Yes I can. In my previous post #5320 I made reference to the wire adjuster on the front wall of the box. You will notice that the worm gear above the wheel has a (square) hole in the end of it for a handle that is currently sticking out between levers 14 and 15. It may well be located in another adjuster for lever 13 the Down Slow No 2 outer distant, which I suspect was probably rarely pulled which is why the adjuster handle rests there. In contrast No 2 the Down Fast distant will be operated for most if not all trains.
Martin

 

[simond]

Thanks Martin,

every day….

best
Simon

 

[oldravendale]

Following Graham's @Dog Star kind advice and by eventually finding the listing for the film in question I've added Edit notes to correct the erroneous first descriptions. I also appreciate the kind efforts by Martin @Martin Shaw and @40057 being made to dig me out of the poo by proposing that the loco may not be 60003. However I can confirm that it is Andrew K McCosh and even though it only just scrapes in to any sort of logic regarding dates it actually does so.

Thanks to Andy @AndyB and Simon @simond for the questions about the frame in the Hornsey box which Martin @Martin Shaw has kindly answered. Really useful stuff!

B1 61210, previously in post #2028 and here light engine at Potters Bar on 22nd December 1962. 61210 was a New England engine from March 1953 until it moved to Colwick in October 1963. It went to Doncaster in December 1965 from where it was withdrawn in February 1966. (SLS). It ended up at Drapers in Hull where it was scrapped in March 1966. (BR Database).



Previously in post #2389 is A3 60080 Dick Turpin on the down 12.45 Newcastle express at Potters Bar on 22nd December 1962. It left works with trough deflectors in November 1961 and was shedded at Ardsley at the time where it had been since July 1961 until it moved to Neville Hill in July 1963 and finally Gateshead in January 1964 where it was withdrawn in the following October. (SLS). It was scrapped at Draper's, Hull, by the end of the year. (Rail UK).



Disappearing in to the distance is A4 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley on the down 1.15 Leeds train at Potters Bar on 22nd December 1962. We’ve seen this loco on here more often than you can shake the proverbial stick at and most recently in posts #3004, #4053 and #4181. It had been a Kings Cross engine since June 1950, moving to New England in June 1963 thence to St Margarets in November and then Aberdeen Ferryhill in August 1964 where it was withdrawn at the beginning of February 1966. (SLS). For information about its life in preservation see 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley (LNER 4498, LNER 600, LNER 7 & BR 60007)







Brian