7mm Pencarrow - Cornish BR(S)
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Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
No need to be down hearted chum, your work is outstanding.
Cheers Rob, not the easiest of decisions to made last night. For a while I almost went with ditching the Modelu parts and using the Wills guttering (which is over scale for 4mm).
Glad I persisted with the Modelu option.
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Hayfield1
Western Thunderer
Chris
A great bit of modelling and a reminder that when using products designed by others it may require some modification of building techniques that we use
Have to say these wonderful prints look very much at home with your equally high quality scratch builds.
Thank you for sharing the build with us
John
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Thanks John,
The building sits right at the very front of the layout, so deserves decent guttering. Not cheap but it will be very noticeable. It is proving to be a s0d to fit though. Cutting has to be done very carefully with a fine toothed razor saw.
And yes, it has been a timely reminder that I need to allow for a channel on the signal box which is up for work next...
Disappointed not to be going to Kettering next weekend. Sadly two events on the same day and I'd already committed to taking Crooked House to Mansfield.
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
Yes, just so.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Bah, and some other words too...
The ridge tiles are surprisingly restrained on this building:
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
It's worth persevering with the Modelu guttering as it does look the part. Prior to fixing I carefully roughed up the fixing edge with one pass of a file prior to glueing. I used superglue but in hindsight I should have used a contact adhesive as I was glueing resin to wood fascia in front of the soffits.
The main problem I found is the longer lengths of guttering tend to flex despite how often they are straightened.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Very nice work there Dave!
Yes, I've found the same issue. The lengths of guttering seem to have a memory and even if straightened want to return to a slight banana shape. I roughed up the rear with a b'stard file and have gone for epoxy to fix to the building. The epoxy is also being used to fill some of the trench...
Dan Randall
Western Thunderer
Dave, if there’s a layout glued to the bottom of this building, I think it’s only fair you show it to us please….
(Carry on please Chris and apologies for the hijack!).
Regards
Dan
(Carry on please Chris and apologies for the hijack!).
Regards
Dan
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Totally agree Dan, would like to see more.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
Cheers,
Considering the state of devastation last night, it's recovering nicely. Downpipes next...
DAS Stone has been used to fill the craters. Photo below shows the process just starting on the left...
Peter Insole
Western Thunderer
You clearly need not have been worrying about stone colours! Just carry on with what you already do - it is absolutely fabulous... although I do understand that we are (and indeed should be) our own worst critics!
It is me that is on the horns of a dilemma now: Dare I rain on your party with a comment on the guttering?
I just had a look at the Modelu website, and was most upset by the apparently poor level of research and the overall sloppy design of those products. Quite apart from anything else, their quoted 4" pipe dimensions are massively overscale for any common victorian structures, especially domestic or light industrial - such as those of a BLT! Our own original cast iron downpipes are actually only 2 1/2" diameter... and may be pretty much "standard"... while it is the soil and vent pipes that are commonly 4"!
Below is a rough measurements sketch that I did for Love Lane - at a time when there were no suitable products available, and wanted to make our own cast in whitemetal!
I'm sorry Chris, but I think you had the tile overhang right first time - it is the expensive lemon you were sold that has caused you so much grief.
Please, please don't give up on that lovely building though... but do beware next time!
Pete.
It is me that is on the horns of a dilemma now: Dare I rain on your party with a comment on the guttering?
I just had a look at the Modelu website, and was most upset by the apparently poor level of research and the overall sloppy design of those products. Quite apart from anything else, their quoted 4" pipe dimensions are massively overscale for any common victorian structures, especially domestic or light industrial - such as those of a BLT! Our own original cast iron downpipes are actually only 2 1/2" diameter... and may be pretty much "standard"... while it is the soil and vent pipes that are commonly 4"!
Below is a rough measurements sketch that I did for Love Lane - at a time when there were no suitable products available, and wanted to make our own cast in whitemetal!
I'm sorry Chris, but I think you had the tile overhang right first time - it is the expensive lemon you were sold that has caused you so much grief.
Please, please don't give up on that lovely building though... but do beware next time!
Pete.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Happens to us all
3DP memory can be resolved by placing item in hot (not boiling) water and inverse bending and holding until cool. The bend is due to the print process and peeling off the FEP.
It is technically possible to draw the part with an inverse warp/bend in it so it prints straight; practically, life's too short so hot water is the preferred option
Overseer
Western Thunderer
The ridge and hip cappings are formed from galvanised iron or steel sheet, not tiles. The lapped joint in the hip can be seen. The apparent thickness of the edges is the edge of the sheet folded at about 45 degrees to provide rigidity.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
I think I used thin paper strips laid over round strip, so about right for steel sheet?
Overseer
Western Thunderer
Yes. The other similar looking cappings are lead with a wood cored roll but the lead tends to follow the shape of the slate closely, and will have clips folded over the lead, while the steel stays straight and is nailed in place.
Peter Insole
Western Thunderer
I'm sorry Chris, I was on a bit of a rant, but it is something of an open wound for me.
I spent the last thirty years of my "career", (if that is what it could be called?) up until retirement, working in art education. Time and time again I watched the students that I was there to serve, struggling to better themselves, but so frequently suffering a terrible lack of self confidence. They usually blamed their own lack of ability - and even occasionally the deficiency of their teachers, when in truth, they were actually fighting a loosing battle with nasty, and notably sub-standard materials.
Sadly, there was absolutely nothing new in this, as my own mother went to art school back in the late 1940's, and she later recalled that it was well known that an "established" supplier was very successfully peddling c**p! By the 90's, the company was still very much active... but by that time nobody seemed to be aware of it... and who took any notice of me when I attempted to point out the facts anyway?!
When you wrote that you felt frustrated by a perceived error on your own part... and that you had decided to continue regardless with an expensive product that I suspect you already had some doubts about, it struck directly into that raw nerve!
I do apologise to you, and indeed anyone else if I have caused any offence with my outburst.
Pete.
I spent the last thirty years of my "career", (if that is what it could be called?) up until retirement, working in art education. Time and time again I watched the students that I was there to serve, struggling to better themselves, but so frequently suffering a terrible lack of self confidence. They usually blamed their own lack of ability - and even occasionally the deficiency of their teachers, when in truth, they were actually fighting a loosing battle with nasty, and notably sub-standard materials.
Sadly, there was absolutely nothing new in this, as my own mother went to art school back in the late 1940's, and she later recalled that it was well known that an "established" supplier was very successfully peddling c**p! By the 90's, the company was still very much active... but by that time nobody seemed to be aware of it... and who took any notice of me when I attempted to point out the facts anyway?!
When you wrote that you felt frustrated by a perceived error on your own part... and that you had decided to continue regardless with an expensive product that I suspect you already had some doubts about, it struck directly into that raw nerve!
I do apologise to you, and indeed anyone else if I have caused any offence with my outburst.
Pete.
Pencarrow
Western Thunderer
No worries or offence caused Pete!
The main issue I had with the Modelu guttering was that the gutter came stuck to a back board which meant that the gutter sat very proud of the roof. The stonework being coarse made that worse. The gutter itself is 6" section but the backing added another 2mm. Ideally I would have wanted a 4" section gutter.
I cut the channel in the stone to effectively bury the backing board in the wall. Given that the prints can be quite brittle I decided that slicing the board off would result in lots of broken guttering. The channel, whilst brutal, was fairly quick and easy to do, just needed a good amount of bravery to start it.
Have completed the guttering I do feel it is too large in section for the roof. I am however going to leave it in as my normal pursuit of perfection ends up with nothing being finished. I will replace the guttering at a later date but after I've knocked off some of the very long list of half finished elements of the wider layout.
I am going to fit the downpipes too, these scale at 4" OD and whilst bigger than domestic ones, do seem to match the chunkiness of the prototype in photos. I'll use your pipe length dimensions to space the holderbats. After that it's just doors and windows to complete.
The ridiculous thing is that this building was one of the first I started and parts of it are around 10 years old. Time to crack on and finish it, along with the painting and detailing of the long grain store.