7mm Millicent Street

Jordan or Plymouth Mad

Mid-Western Thunderer
Well to my surprise the kit is coming together.
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Not sure I will include the full interior detail and removable roof (the only way you could see said interior detail) though. This is intended to be a working layout item of stock and not a display cabinet showpiece
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Ok, I'm going to ask the Dumb Question again....
What is it??!! It has the looks of a cross between a GWR Toad and a station halt building. There's a look of 'ancient American MoW* Stock about it. :confused:

*MoW = 'Maintenance of Way'. Departmental or PW in English terms....
 
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Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Ok, I'm going to ask the Dumb Question again....
What is it??!! It has the looks of a cross between a GWR Toad and a station halt building. There's a look of 'ancient American MoW* Stock about it. :confused;
Go back to the first photo of the parts "in the flat" and zoom into the large piece on the RHS where you can find lettering which details the prototype.
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
Ok, I'm going to ask the Dumb Question again....
What is it??!! It has the looks of a cross between a GWR Toad and a station halt building.
To give you an idea of what it will look like, there’s a 3D printed version in EM gauge/4mm scale - scroll down to Kier Hardy’s “Hornsey Broadway” thread here…



It’s available as a free (and scaleable), download, here…



Regards

Dan
 

Rippers

Western Thunderer
@Rippers is there an underframe supplied with the kit? It looks great so far.
Cheers. No the kit is the basic body only. Though includes interior detail etc. It comes with a comprehensive list if brass sections and parts needed to build the underframe. But as the real Ballast Brake was basically a different body on a lengthened brake van chassis I an going to follow suit. It will be fitted to a modified Slaters LNER brake van chassis.
 

Rippers

Western Thunderer
Ok, I'm going to ask the Dumb Question again....
What is it??!! It has the looks of a cross between a GWR Toad and a station halt building. There's a look of 'ancient American MoW* Stock about it. :confused;

*MoW = 'Maintenance of Way'. Departmental or PW in English terms....
Not a dumb question at all.
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It's a 1948 built LNER diagram 203 20T Ballast Brake Van. Which will be finished in the early PW black.livery as one of the Hull allocated examples.
A long lasting design as examples could still be seen on the network in use as Crew vehicles for cranes etc into the 1990s with several now preserved. Given the years they lasted and numerous liveries carried I have long wondered why this has never been offered rtr in 4mm scale.
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Not a dumb question at all.
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It's a 1948 built LNER diagram 203 20T Ballast Brake Van. Which will be finished in the early PW black.livery as one of the Hull allocated examples.
A long lasting design as examples could still be seen on the network in use as Crew vehicles for cranes etc into the 1990s with several now preserved. Given the years they lasted and numerous liveries carried I have long wondered why this has never been offered rtr in 4mm scale.

House on wheels!
 

Jordan or Plymouth Mad

Mid-Western Thunderer
Not a dumb question at all.
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It's a 1948 built LNER diagram 203 20T Ballast Brake Van. Which will be finished in the early PW black.livery as one of the Hull allocated examples.
A long lasting design as examples could still be seen on the network in use as Crew vehicles for cranes etc into the 1990s with several now preserved. Given the years they lasted and numerous liveries carried I have long wondered why this has never been offered rtr in 4mm scale.
Many thanks for the straightforward answer. :) :thumbs:
I for one have never seen anything like it before!!
 

Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
I recognise the background of the last 3 photos as Kirkby Stephen East, Chris and I will be there next Saturday supporting their Railwayana event.
 

Suffolk Dave

Western Thunderer
It looks like an interesting vehicle but subscribing to the notion that there's no such thing as a stupid question, what exactly is a ballast brake? Would it have had a plough like a 'shark'? That would make sense but I really don't know; anyway, I guess it had characteristics not found on a 'regular' brake van.
 

3 LINK

Western Thunderer
Looking at the second picture above without the body on, I would say the 4 slabs of iron across the chassis are the ballast, hence a ballast brake.

Martyn.
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
It looks like an interesting vehicle but subscribing to the notion that there's no such thing as a stupid question, what exactly is a ballast brake? Would it have had a plough like a 'shark'? That would make sense but I really don't know; anyway, I guess it had characteristics not found on a 'regular' brake van.

Given how much of ballasting was manual labour, I guess that they were fundamentally a means to get work teams to site for lifting and packing, that short of thing. No ploughs on these, but they were ballasted up to double as brake van.

Adam
 

Rippers

Western Thunderer
Given how much of ballasting was manual labour, I guess that they were fundamentally a means to get work teams to site for lifting and packing, that short of thing. No ploughs on these, but they were ballasted up to double as brake van.

Adam
Pretty much. Internally there was a small brake compartment at one end with a stove a brake wheel. The rest was lockers and seats with a second stove. Basically, in modern parlance a 'staff welfare vehicle'. To transport and provide cooking facilities etc for the track maintainence gangs. With the ability to act as a brake if needed. Though you rarely saw them used for the latter. I guess replaced in more recent times by more flexible lorry and van based equivalents. Most of the ballast brakes lasted as they moved onto secondary careers as crew vehicles with cranes and the like.
 
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SteveF

New Member
Neil, Certainly has a Hull signature from the views I’ve seen, but Is there a way (a gallery perhaps) to see all the photos of Millicent St, without having to go through all 41 pages on the forum?
 

Rippers

Western Thunderer
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A few steps and a lot of handrails later (fortunately the kit comes with a handy former for most of them) and the body is starting to look the part.
20250814_231833.jpgSuitably shaped brass has also replaced the wooden roof sheet supplied (for the kits removable roof).
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Rob Pulham

Western Thunderer
Ah
Yes indeed. It's in the queue for restoration. The first one is at the Wensleydale line but was so bad it currently looks like this.
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Apparently it will be getting a complete new body.
Ah, yes I saw that in the station when we were supporting their model railway event in May and other than guessing (not too hard :rolleyes: ) that it was a brake van chassis, I did wonder what it was. Now I know, thanks.
 
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