micknich2003
Western Thunderer
Broad Sword, unfourtantly, to get within the 1MB limit, I had to crop off most of the interesting bits. If you want the full picture, please contact me micknich2003@yahoo.co.uk
7mm Millicent Street
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Rippers
Western Thunderer
Well this thread is certainly wandering though the oddities of our fair city.
Still good research all!!.
Meanwhilst back to the model itself!
Given that Colin has settled on a sleightly different pub from that shown on my initial concept sketch here is another quick scribble so as to help us visualise how the grouping around the corner upon which it will be sited could work.
Im the sort of modeller that tends to think with a pen in hand when working out plans and scenic ideas for layouts and sketches such as this helps me see how the chosen small hostelry could work with other structures we are wishing to depict in a form that is easy to convey to the others in the group.
Given this is only our second 7mm layout we need all the help we can get!
Still good research all!!.
Meanwhilst back to the model itself!
Given that Colin has settled on a sleightly different pub from that shown on my initial concept sketch here is another quick scribble so as to help us visualise how the grouping around the corner upon which it will be sited could work.
Im the sort of modeller that tends to think with a pen in hand when working out plans and scenic ideas for layouts and sketches such as this helps me see how the chosen small hostelry could work with other structures we are wishing to depict in a form that is easy to convey to the others in the group.
Given this is only our second 7mm layout we need all the help we can get!
adrian
Flying Squad
You're being far to modest - living in Preston and my Father-in-law used to work at Whittingham Hospital I paid quite close attention to Hospital Gates. It was a great bit of modelling and F-i-L recognised the inspiration straight away. So although I'm not as familiar with the the new location I'm looking forward to see what you produce.
Broad Sword
Western Thunderer
That's quite OK Young Mike, I understand. Thanks, but since I retired, by the way, I have dropped the Judge Dread name you gave me.
Rippers
Western Thunderer
Cheers for the compliments on our work.
Hospital Gates was a bit of steep learning curve for us as a bunch of formerly committed (or some say likely should be!) 4mm modellers. Plus we also came in for some flack from a small number of other modellers of the larger scale during the build over some aspects of the layout we were building.
Oddly enough most of the subjects of the quibbles and protestations they were throwing at us have turned out to be the most complimented on parts of the completed model!.
....what a hobby!In essence with no prior experience to call upon we kind of built Hospital exactly as we would a 4mm model only bigger! (the same approach we took on a 2mm project a couple of years back which we treat as 4mm 'only futher away'!). Yes we are an odd bunch!.
You mention a lack of familiarity with our new prototype. It is quite the opposite for the goodly number of the locals whome this model will be presented to initially. .........we forsee a need to get it right or they will be loudly telling us otherwise!
Rippers
Western Thunderer
Another week down the playroom and more progress (slower than desired perhaps but we are building yet another layout at the same time!).
Next step on from the sketches and drawings is creating rough full size rough mock ups of the main structures.
Such as this trio of terraces of the type I have already posted prototype shots of. A lot of rows of such properties in Hull are in sets of 3 properties (though there are rows of 4's as well in the area). The rear shot showing how the passageway from the end to access the rear of the middle property was aranged.
Also here is part of the pub corner in the rough
One of the advantages of doing this (other than seeing that such a structure will both fit and look right when in place on the model) is that we can correct any issues before construction. Such as the fact that this mockup shows that the building seen here is far deepers than the prototype (caused by Colin using the set of footprint measurements for one of the other pubs we considered). Plus this has an ugly side extention that we decided will not be carried forward to the finished model.
The Patty shop is progressing though with the external walling finished in typical army surplus green!. (It was amazing how many things were painted this colour or battleship grey in this area at one time)
Next step on from the sketches and drawings is creating rough full size rough mock ups of the main structures.
Such as this trio of terraces of the type I have already posted prototype shots of. A lot of rows of such properties in Hull are in sets of 3 properties (though there are rows of 4's as well in the area). The rear shot showing how the passageway from the end to access the rear of the middle property was aranged.
Also here is part of the pub corner in the rough
One of the advantages of doing this (other than seeing that such a structure will both fit and look right when in place on the model) is that we can correct any issues before construction. Such as the fact that this mockup shows that the building seen here is far deepers than the prototype (caused by Colin using the set of footprint measurements for one of the other pubs we considered). Plus this has an ugly side extention that we decided will not be carried forward to the finished model.
The Patty shop is progressing though with the external walling finished in typical army surplus green!. (It was amazing how many things were painted this colour or battleship grey in this area at one time)
Rippers
Western Thunderer
I'm a fan of them too and agree that they are rarely seem modelled with any conviction.
If I were to model a Hull one it would definatly have to be a Coronation
Though the lack to road space (and the fact that this is a narrow back street area) really precludes the need for such a beastie (that wouldnt stop me building one sometime though) - no Hull ones survive but we have a museum dedicated to those others from around the country that do over the river which is worth visiting on open days.
There will be a few vehicles (done based on period street pictures we are currenty pouring through for inspiration). The area to be modelled isnt exactly a well-to-do area thus car ownership by residents wasnt exactly common at the period modelled. Those that can be seen (that obviously belonged to locals rather than visitors) were often aged or even pre-war whereas Motorcycle and sidecars seemed more common!
Plus finding true 1/43 scale vehicles isnt the easiest as a lot of models usually seen on 7mm layouts are 1/48 or 1/50 (he says holding his hand up to doing just that on Hospital Gates!
). Though we are dicovering the possibilities hidden in overseas partworks.I have been considering the offerings in overseas partworks such as the French series based on the vehicles that apeared in the 'Tintin' books which offer some exotics, Jaguars etc but also the more run of the mill Morris 6, Triumph Herald, BMC (MG) 1100 and Ford Zephyr taxi! (RH drive too).
The Herald also pops up in another series (the Blake et Mortimer books - nope new one on me too!) plus the likes of an A95 Atlantic - on top of which on a whim I recently aquired a rather splendid Austin Cambridge in Teal Blue over Cream sold as a British tourists car in the 'Le Route Bleu' series! for evaluation. Probably not suitable for want I want but it is a nice model!
Going larger a Thames lorry (NW Gas), Bedford TJ coal lory and WW2 Bedford OW (in RAF and Desert yellow) can also be had as parts of similar works.
I pays to research outside of the local market I guess!
Broad Sword
Western Thunderer
I must agree with brother Rippers on any kind of a trolley bus system being a non starter on this layout. Although amongst my fellow members of the East Riding Fine Scale group, much time is spent on "what if" theories being expounded, when it comes to the crunch, we stick to the practical ideas. The first reference to road vehicles on this layout was "Wot no bridge, and therefore no bus on it?"
Incidently, in the video on the Coronation class trolleys, where was a photo of a proud crew standing front of their trolley bus. It was taken at the junction of Goddard Avenue and Chanterlands Avenue at the short working turn back loop. Group headquarters is off Goddard Avenue and everytime I pass that spot, I notice that the traction pole just to the right is still there but who knows for how much longer?
Incidently, in the video on the Coronation class trolleys, where was a photo of a proud crew standing front of their trolley bus. It was taken at the junction of Goddard Avenue and Chanterlands Avenue at the short working turn back loop. Group headquarters is off Goddard Avenue and everytime I pass that spot, I notice that the traction pole just to the right is still there but who knows for how much longer?
micknich2003
Western Thunderer
Broad Sword, here's one of the "Coronation" Trollys you was on about, the whole scene would make an outstanding model. Mick.
Rippers
Western Thunderer
Yup - The crossing at Botanic Gardens.
It would make and ideal model for local public display in the way ours is intended.
As a group, we would have considered it as a late 50's early 60's model in 4mm scale some time ago for this modelling esay.
However as the Hull MRS are working on it already but set in a much earlier period and to P4 standards it would seem a little brutish to steam in with another model of the same before that is done.
Especially as they have been ongoing with their model for getting on for 2 decades now. Though last time I saw it (2 or so years back) much of it was still base baseboards with lots to do both layout and buildings wise. Shame it is unlikely it could be ready in 3 years really as it could have been a fabulous promotion for the area and the Hull club for this 2017 gig.
James
Western Thunderer
There are a lot buildings taking shape for BG now, and I have about five of the locos at some stage of construction. One thing which looks very good is all of the (centre-grooved rail!) tram track is laid, including over the level crossing! For various reasons I've not been to the club in months, but the signal box is nearly finished!
micknich2003
Western Thunderer
Rippers, you and your mates, would knock it out in well under a year. I still have all the original drawings that I either bought or made well over twenty years ago, when I intended to model it myself.
Rippers
Western Thunderer
About 18-24 months would by our estimate more like due to the number of structures which would need to be built..........!
..........and we have much of the stock already.
Still Hull MRS still have 3 years to complete Botanic should they plan to take part in the events that we are.
Broad Sword
Western Thunderer
You tell us which year that would be and it will be ready!
Following this with interest, as a native of the city. The mention of "patties" brought back memories, I'm not sure how it used to be spelt either, but well remember having those. Something filling when you couldn't afford fish, as they were about the same price as a bag of chips!
The only minorcriticism, no comment really, is that you should have had a level crossing in it, such a Hull signature item. (And alternately the bane of people's life/the best excuse for arriving late!!) Didn't need to be a massive one, something like Park Road is what I was thinking of, just up from Botanic. However, realise that space is at a premium, and probably just wouldn't fit. How big is the layout?
Kevin.
The only minor
Kevin.
micknich2003
Western Thunderer
The layout is set on the Hull & Barnsley Rly, the railway had no level crossings on the street's of Hull.
Tappa
Western Thunderer
Kevin - as you know Hull, the layout is a branch off the H & B around where the Cannon Street line curves away, only the other side. It decends down and then curves away roughly where the power station was and heads off towards Clough Road. It terminates just before Clough Road, although there is a long siding down to what became Croda.
As for the size it will get roughly 10ft scenic. We have some piccies of the track
K and once Rippers is back from Perth show, I am sure he will post.
Jeff
As for the size it will get roughly 10ft scenic. We have some piccies of the track
K and once Rippers is back from Perth show, I am sure he will post.
Jeff
micknich2003
Western Thunderer
Kevin, here is Stoney Lane, a small but typical H&BRly level crossing, and approx 18 mile out from Alexandra Dock. In 7mm scale it would measure approx One Foot square, and that is without the signalbox. Mick.
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