Falcon in 7mm from heljan and other locomotives
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40126
Western Thunderer
Here you are F.C.
At Barrow Hill, a few weeks ago.
Next 3 pics 2nd Oct 2010
My lad getting in the pic
Steve
warren haywood
Western Thunderer
And use proper glue for the bits instead of margarine which is what I think they have used on most of their diesels 
flexible_coupling
Western Thunderer
What's the strange long bracket-looking thing to the right of the connection door on the nose, on the one end of the loco? Not sure I've ever noticed that on a 40 before.
I'd have it in late, grotty blue I reckon.... although original green with no warning panels is a fine look too...
I'd have it in late, grotty blue I reckon.... although original green with no warning panels is a fine look too...
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
The odd thing on the nose is an access ladder. It looks like a climbing prevention plate has been fitted for safety reasons.
The original builds of these locos had this ladder to allow access to the top of the nose for maintenance. I'll see if I can find a photo that shows the Type 4s in original 1950s configuration.
The original builds of these locos had this ladder to allow access to the top of the nose for maintenance. I'll see if I can find a photo that shows the Type 4s in original 1950s configuration.
40126
Western Thunderer
Like here, Heather ?.
http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-chris-carter-jrc-shamrock-L.jpg
Steve
http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00000-chris-carter-jrc-shamrock-L.jpg
Steve
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
That's the baby. I think it was a feature of the pilot scheme builds, though the ladders were removed as OLE came on stream.
I did try to get a copy of a photo from a book in my library, but I couldn't shrink it to fit the server limit for various ipad related reasons. I don't need to bother now.
I did try to get a copy of a photo from a book in my library, but I couldn't shrink it to fit the server limit for various ipad related reasons. I don't need to bother now.
mickoo
Western Thunderer
It was a feature of the pilot ten but was also added to later variants as well, witness D303 above, though it wasn't fitted to all post pilot locos as far as I can tell and those that were had them soon removed, certainly the LMR ones, which oddly D303 seems to be one of given the headboard fitted?.
Or they could of been fitted to all disc locos but some removed very quickly, I think 303 is the highest numbered one I've seen with nose ladders but I'd need to check my photo collection and I don't think many had them with yellow warning panels. I'm modelling a disc variant in green with small yellow panel in early 62 and there's plenty around then with no ladders.....now where did I put that JLTRT white box
Or they could of been fitted to all disc locos but some removed very quickly, I think 303 is the highest numbered one I've seen with nose ladders but I'd need to check my photo collection and I don't think many had them with yellow warning panels. I'm modelling a disc variant in green with small yellow panel in early 62 and there's plenty around then with no ladders.....now where did I put that JLTRT white box
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
I've worked out how to adjust the size of the image, so just for completeness here's my contribution.
This is from Brian Haresnape's British Rail Fleet Survey volume 1 (Ian Allan), and shows D203 in a publicity shot taken in 1960 for the new freight service from Kings Cross.
This is from Brian Haresnape's British Rail Fleet Survey volume 1 (Ian Allan), and shows D203 in a publicity shot taken in 1960 for the new freight service from Kings Cross.
flexible_coupling
Western Thunderer
Ahh, the 'safety plate' is what threw me! And the intriguing fact that Aureol must've had one end 'fixed' and the other left intact.....
mickoo
Western Thunderer
In the Oct 2010 photos there looks like there's a plate at both ends, but on one end (#2 end - non radiator end) it's slid across the rungs a bit more to expose them so it looks like the ladder is intact. You can just see the rungs, it's not helped by being in shadow .
In the first (more recent) photo the ladder has been removed altogether and I'll guess the other end has been treated the same as well.
.In the first (more recent) photo the ladder has been removed altogether and I'll guess the other end has been treated the same as well.
richard carr
Western Thunderer
I finally got hold of one of my Heljan 40s it turned out to be the green one.
So here is a comparison to a JLTRT 40 as you can see there are a few differences
As you can see the biggest difference is the rake of the windscreen and the curvature of the end of the nose. The bonnet on the Heljan also appears to be a little flatter to my eye than the JLTRT.
The good thing is they both look like 40s, the roof and the sides seem identical as are the bogie side frames, the pipes on the front of the Heljan look a fair bit finer to me.
Richard
So here is a comparison to a JLTRT 40 as you can see there are a few differences
As you can see the biggest difference is the rake of the windscreen and the curvature of the end of the nose. The bonnet on the Heljan also appears to be a little flatter to my eye than the JLTRT.
The good thing is they both look like 40s, the roof and the sides seem identical as are the bogie side frames, the pipes on the front of the Heljan look a fair bit finer to me.
Richard
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
D'you know what? I never realised that the EE Type 4s carried ladders! I have a few photos I took in the sixties and none of them have ladders. However, on close inspection D312 and D320 (both at Willesden) show evidence of the fixings on the nose. Unfortunately the pictures of D284 and D352 (at Kings Cross) are not sharp enough to determine whether these fixings are present or not, but as D352 has a four panel headcode it is very unlikely this eer carried ladders.
Just goes to show. New and unexpected information crops up nearly every day. Fascinating!
Brian
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Brian, only disc head code locos can carry ladders, all (see below) disc locos have the four fixing bolts, but it's doubtful all were fitted or remained fitted much after 62, Some of the later built ones may never have had ladders fitted but had the bolts fitted just in case. LMR locos started to loose theirs in mid 61 before the last of the discs coded ones were delivered.
Having said that I've one photo dated 66
I initially dismissed as the photographers fading memory, except midway down the train is a blue grey coach which I think was introduced about that time, 64-66?
What I have just found interesting is that I thought the first ten pilot scheme locos had them and the rest followed, not so, D200-D209 never had nose ladders, bolts or any other fixing, nose ladders only came on the production run from D210 onwards
Having said that I've one photo dated 66
I initially dismissed as the photographers fading memory, except midway down the train is a blue grey coach which I think was introduced about that time, 64-66?What I have just found interesting is that I thought the first ten pilot scheme locos had them and the rest followed, not so, D200-D209 never had nose ladders, bolts or any other fixing, nose ladders only came on the production run from D210 onwards
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Richard, is your JLTRT one sitting a little high on the bogies? or is the Heljan one too low, other than that I know which one I'd have, no competition really.
Having said that, if I were a RTR chap then it'd be the Heljan hands down and I'd live with the windscreen and nose shape issues, but given a choice it'd be the JLTRT one...with detailed NS bogies of course
I had planned my JLTRT as green with small yellow panel but your BR blue looks brilliant and is exactly how I remember them from my spotting days, I can foresee me having to get at least two now, one for each period! Actually, I could model 40's all day and probably never get bored
Having said that, if I were a RTR chap then it'd be the Heljan hands down and I'd live with the windscreen and nose shape issues, but given a choice it'd be the JLTRT one...with detailed NS bogies of course
I had planned my JLTRT as green with small yellow panel but your BR blue looks brilliant and is exactly how I remember them from my spotting days, I can foresee me having to get at least two now, one for each period! Actually, I could model 40's all day and probably never get bored