West Junction
Western Thunderer
Two front views of 40's at York 1961
D354 which must have been brand new and pulled me back from York to London
D354 which must have been brand new and pulled me back from York to London
Falcon in 7mm from heljan and other locomotives
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richard carr
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Mick
Yes I think mine is sitting a little high, or the body isn't quite sitting properly on the chassis.
The other thing to bear in mind is the differing colours and lack of weathering do effect how they appear.
I'm still pleased with it and for £500 they are a relative bargin compared to a JLTRT kit.
Richard
Yes I think mine is sitting a little high, or the body isn't quite sitting properly on the chassis.
The other thing to bear in mind is the differing colours and lack of weathering do effect how they appear.
I'm still pleased with it and for £500 they are a relative bargin compared to a JLTRT kit.
Richard
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Mick
The other thing I was going to ask is when were the 40's air braked because my green heljan 40 has a red train air brake pipe which I don't think is correct, or did they get air brakes when still in green ?
Richard
The other thing I was going to ask is when were the 40's air braked because my green heljan 40 has a red train air brake pipe which I don't think is correct, or did they get air brakes when still in green ?
Richard
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Richard, oh my, brakes 
mine field here, many were dual braked from the mid 60s, but not all of the class were dual braked, some remained vacuum braked to the very end. Some locos were dual braked and then in the last years reverted back to vacuum only.
So yes, you can have an air braked green with small yellow panel and pre tops numbers, in 1970 there were 85 dual braked locos, in 73 there were 120, but not necessarily the same from 71 unless they are typos. By 1980 it had risen to 123 and that's probably near the maximum ever achieved as they were on the run down by then.
Do you have a rough date or numbers you want, I can check them off, a quick scan through the digital collection shows D213 with small yellow panel at Kingmoor as late as 1968, but there's full yellow panel locos as early as 66-67, your best bet is one from the 1970 list, I'm afraid I don't have dates for dual brake fitting, though I suspect it must be out there somewhere
mine field here, many were dual braked from the mid 60s, but not all of the class were dual braked, some remained vacuum braked to the very end. Some locos were dual braked and then in the last years reverted back to vacuum only.So yes, you can have an air braked green with small yellow panel and pre tops numbers, in 1970 there were 85 dual braked locos, in 73 there were 120, but not necessarily the same from 71 unless they are typos. By 1980 it had risen to 123 and that's probably near the maximum ever achieved as they were on the run down by then.
Do you have a rough date or numbers you want, I can check them off, a quick scan through the digital collection shows D213 with small yellow panel at Kingmoor as late as 1968, but there's full yellow panel locos as early as 66-67, your best bet is one from the 1970 list, I'm afraid I don't have dates for dual brake fitting, though I suspect it must be out there somewhere
mickoo
Western Thunderer
Richard, don't get me wrong, it's a very nice model (Heljan) as are many of their others, however the discrepancies are deal breakers for me, as is the Deltic tumblehome and nose shape. Having said that I have their class 26 and I'm sure there are bits not quite right there too, but oddly I'm prepared to accept that on a 26 but not a 40 or 55
.Dual standards or what LOL
Compton castle
Western Thunderer
GUV's are being shipped on the 19th should be with stockists in time for Christmas
Dikitriki
Flying Squad
tomstaf
Western Thunderer
Yaay, I was worrying MK1 sides might have been added
Cheers
Tom
Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
As the 7mm Heljan class 53 Falcon is hopefully close, does anyone know of a colour picture of the elephant that was put on the side as I want to get Precision Labels to do a 7mm transfer for it but they need to know the colour and size. Link to a B&W of it https://www.flickr.com/photos/johng...gW9-6UXiyD-2zHzYG-oqnnmJ-owYWCu-cJCsYL-bNex8P
SteadyRed
Western Thunderer
Steady Brian, you will get Jeff coming over all funny if he thinks a 7mm Falcon is imminent
Brian Daniels
Western Thunderer
I got this 
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Brian try this link you "may" find one that will help; https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/...p=image&fr=ytff1-tyc-sc&va=babar+the+elephant
Link edited following daifly reply.
Link edited following daifly reply.
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Pugsley
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I don't think it's got anything to do with Babar - it's wearing a hat and looks to be of a different style. There is one in Babar that wears a hat, but the hat is of a different style and it wears something a bit like a sailors outfit.
The shorts are definitely blue:
http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v2.php?img=0770050084210
and it appears from the very top left, that the hat is the same colour. The jumper is definitely striped and jumper base colour isn't white, for two reasons. One is that the jumper is no brighter than the elephant colour, which is definitely grey and secondly, the outer edge of the sticker is white, and the jumper is darker than that. It could be yellow, or pink, possibly light blue.
I reckon a pale yellow base, with pink or green stripes wouldn't look out of place. Whatever happens, you can guarantee that a colour picture of the elephant will turn up after you've finished the model!
In terms of size, it appears to be about the same height as the cast Falcon - you could then calculate the approximate width from the black and white picture.
The shorts are definitely blue:
http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v2.php?img=0770050084210
and it appears from the very top left, that the hat is the same colour. The jumper is definitely striped and jumper base colour isn't white, for two reasons. One is that the jumper is no brighter than the elephant colour, which is definitely grey and secondly, the outer edge of the sticker is white, and the jumper is darker than that. It could be yellow, or pink, possibly light blue.
I reckon a pale yellow base, with pink or green stripes wouldn't look out of place. Whatever happens, you can guarantee that a colour picture of the elephant will turn up after you've finished the model!
In terms of size, it appears to be about the same height as the cast Falcon - you could then calculate the approximate width from the black and white picture.
Brian Daniels
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Fred Lewis (Welsh Wizard) of this parish says it was from a birthday card. I think you are right Pugsley, we will have to do a good guess based on that B&W which I too think it's got a bit of a striped shirt on.
Brian Daniels
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Precision Labels has just done these that will do just fine.
http://www.precisionlabels.com/d53a.html
http://www.precisionlabels.com/d53a.html
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
Now they look very good, like the sound of the holographic Falcon.
Compton castle
Western Thunderer
They look superb