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Lyndhurstman

Lyndhurstman

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Progressing like a Push Pull? #beentheredonethat
It's a wise man who know when a tactical withdrawal is the best option. Having said that, tit's coming along nicely. I'm almost (but not quite.. :)) tempted to break out my Comet LMS coach kit...

Cheers

Jan
 
James Spooner

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
Lyndhurstman said:
Progressing like a Push Pull? #beentheredonethat
It's a wise man who know when a tactical withdrawal is the best option. Having said that, tit's coming along nicely. I'm almost (but not quite.. :)) tempted to break out my Comet LMS coach kit...

Cheers

Jan
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Yes, something like that! I’ll have another crack this evening and report progress (or regress!). Once this is done I have a stable of others. A Comet Gresley, a D&S GER restaurant car, some more GER 50’ bogies and an ex GER six wheeler. Enough to keep me going into my retirement!

Nigel
 
James Spooner

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
A degree of success this evening. I have carefully filed and sanded down the plasticard on the bogie to get the underframe level and at the right height. I have also glued back in place the bit that came off last night.

I’m now comparing it to the driving trailer, which seems a smidgeon (technical term, slightly more than a tad) on the high side. I’m a bit nervous of slicing bits off the height because I could well wind up too low. Measuring the driving trailer shows the buffer centres are 14.5mm off the rail, which I think is correct. Some horribly unflattering close ups of the buffer heights along the train, along with a comparison with the Rapido W&U tram show the variations. I’ll sleep on it but might leave them as they are because they are probably within tolerances of elderly settling springs…

Nigel

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James Spooner

James Spooner

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Since my last post I have cleaned up the carriages, primed them and now given them a first coat of paint. I have used Precision paints dirty black for the body ends, bogies and underframes. That seems to have covered well so probably won’t get another coat. The body sides were a mix of Precision paints dull teak, with a splash of BR crimson and a smaller splash of dull black. The colour is a reasonable approximation of ‘Stratford brown’ but definitely needs another coat. I’m in Wales for a day or so, which means the second coat will have to await my return. Photos of current progress attached (and bogies haven’t been fixed to underframes neither have the bodies been fixed in place). While I had the dirty black out I wafted a bit over the G5 to take a bit of the shine off.

Nigel

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James Spooner

James Spooner

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Back from my sojourn in Wales and inspected the dried paintwork. I think I had applied the paint without thinning it sufficiently as there was the dreaded orange peel effect. I have therefore spent the last couple of evenings rubbing down the carriage sides before applying a second coat. I have also been working on the underframes - adding the sprung buffer heads and tweaking one or two odds and ends, including more work on the driving trailer height. This evening I added a second coat of brown and at first blush am happier with it; come the morn and it will have dried and I will get a decent look at it in daylight. Some photos attached.

Nigel

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James Spooner

James Spooner

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I was rummaging through the box for the glazing material and realised there wasn’t any with the kit (other D&S kits had a very thin acetate type material packed in strips). I do have a stock of what I think must be Bayer 0.7mm acrylic sheet so dug it out for use on the glazing. Realisation dawned that cutting the compartment sides and seats wasn’t a particularly brilliant idea without taking the new thickness of the glazing into account, so I have now glazed the non driving trailer and propose cracking on with the driving trailer as the week progresses. Interiors will then be cut and fitted before making up the roofs and final assembly.

Nigel

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James Spooner

James Spooner

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76043 said:
Whilst on the subject of Stratford brown, what approximation did you use?
Cheers
Tony
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The recommendation in the instructions was to use Precision dull teak 85%, Precision coach crimson 10% and dull black 5%. I used that for the first coat but it appeared too dark. I then sanded it down and flattened the surface before using the same percentage of dull teak and crimson but adding a little Precision teak base coat, which gave a paler effect.

The result is pretty similar to the Rapido W&U coaches and not dissimilar to colour photos of carriages in Stratford brown in the 1950’s. To be honest, the colour did seem to vary, I suspect through fading, so I don’t think there is an exact colour to go chasing after. Hope that helps.

Nigel
 
James Spooner

James Spooner

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More progress this evening with the interior made up for the driving trailer. I have also added in the no smoking and first class transfers to the windows. I am also trying to work out what to put in the driver’s compartment. The GA, printed in Peter Paye’s book on the Saffron Walden branch, seems to indicate a hand brake pillar and wheel near the middle and possibly a seat under one window. Presumably there was also an air brake lever and a regulator lever but I can’t find any interior photos of driving compartments. I also need to create some grills to go behind the luggage compartment windows. Photo attached.

Nigel

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robertm

robertm

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Lovely work on the coaches.
I have 2 to build, a corridor composite and a corridor brake third. I have the kits from D & S but I’ve dragged my feet because I need to put retractable steps on the brake and only have sketchy details. These were the standard formation when passenger service ceased in 1952. At the moment I’m building a J19/2, when that’s done the coaches are next, if the steps are wrong I’ll live with it.
Great to see the ex GER modelled on here..
My recently completed J15
Bob
 

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James Spooner

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
robertm said:
Lovely work on the coaches.
I have 2 to build, a corridor composite and a corridor brake third. I have the kits from D & S but I’ve dragged my feet because I need to put retractable steps on the brake and only have sketchy details. These were the standard formation when passenger service ceased in 1952. At the moment I’m building a J19/2, when that’s done the coaches are next, if the steps are wrong I’ll live with it.
Great to see the ex GER modelled on here..
My recently completed J15
Bob
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Bob,

That‘s a lovely J15; is it a Gibson kit? Thanks for your comments on the coaches.

Since you put your post up I have been looking through my books for a clear image of one of the step fitted coaches, with no success yet. I suspect it must have been covered in an article in the GERS Journal at some point but my current computer set up doesn’t have a disc drive so I can’t read the Journal DVD with index, I bought some years ago. I’ll keep looking! Herb Garden, of this parish, may also have some suggestions, although frankly, twentieth century is uber modern for his modelling tastes!

I still have about half a dozen assorted D&S carriage kits to make in my ‘stable’, but hadn’t thought of building a brake third with steps for halts. If you do have any joy with your research, let me know and I might build one with steps too.

Nigel
 
Scale7JB

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
James Spooner said:
After a bit of a hiatus to attend the launch of the Ffestiniog’s brand new double Fairlie, James Spooner (and incidentally in the process meeting his great great great grandson, Nigel Spooner), followed by some family time both in Wales and Ireland, I am back at my workbench again. I have finished the underframe details, including a semi educated guess at the braking arrangements, and added on the buffer overlays as well as the buffer stocks. Just the vacuum pipe and steam heat pipe to add each side of the solebars and it is on to the body. It feels like I am entering the home straight on this project! Photos attached…

Nigel

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Is that Yorkie and RobCo on the platform ?

JB.
 
Herb Garden

Herb Garden

Western Thunderer
James Spooner said:
Bob,

That‘s a lovely J15; is it a Gibson kit? Thanks for your comments on the coaches.

Since you put your post up I have been looking through my books for a clear image of one of the step fitted coaches, with no success yet. I suspect it must have been covered in an article in the GERS Journal at some point but my current computer set up doesn’t have a disc drive so I can’t read the Journal DVD with index, I bought some years ago. I’ll keep looking! Herb Garden, of this parish, may also have some suggestions, although frankly, twentieth century is uber modern for his modelling tastes!

I still have about half a dozen assorted D&S carriage kits to make in my ‘stable’, but hadn’t thought of building a brake third with steps for halts. If you do have any joy with your research, let me know and I might build one with steps too.

Nigel
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Modern traction modellers..... Tut tut....

The material you want is a 12 page article in GERS journal 188 from 2021 starting on page 4

Available to members to download from our newly refreshed website for a reasonable rate.

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These shots are of modified type 5 stock in 1922 and probably of interest to those of us with refined pre grouping tastes. I think what you gents are interested in is the later modifications to type 13 stock as seen in this famous picture IMG_20231207_220700193.jpg the first image is from the GERS article the other two from Peter Payes branch lines to Thetford.

I will now have to go have a lie down.... A fitted Y14 painted black! It's the beginning of the end of civilization as we know it.....
 
James Spooner

James Spooner

Western Thunderer
Herb Garden said:
Modern traction modellers..... Tut tut....

The material you want is a 12 page article in GERS journal 188 from 2021 starting on page 4

Available to members to download from our newly refreshed website for a reasonable rate.

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These shots are of modified type 5 stock in 1922 and probably of interest to those of us with refined pre grouping tastes. I think what you gents are interested in is the later modifications to type 13 stock as seen in this famous picture View attachment 203524 the first image is from the GERS article the other two from Peter Payes branch lines to Thetford.

I will now have to go have a lie down.... A fitted Y14 painted black! It's the beginning of the end of civilization as we know it.....
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I was sure you would know the answer and I wasn’t disappointed!!
 
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