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RichardG

RichardG

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Tim Hale said:
Unfortunately, the little paper iris plants need to be supported after 'planting' in scenic glue for at least 45mins, just two at a time.
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There are high-tack versions of PVA which provide a good initial grab:

Adhesive: Hi-Tack Glue: Original Gold: 115ml (12)

I suspect, tiny spots of this would hold small plants upright, and you could then add a little regular pva around the bases to add strength.

Can be had from independent craft shops and through eBay.
 
Roger Pound

Roger Pound

Western Thunderer
You continue to supply postings of a steady rate of progress with excellent explanations and references regarding your work, Tim. It is always welcome and a good learning curve for other modellers - particularly myself - who have considerably less knowledge of Germany and its nuances. The accompanying pictures always enhance the verbal description you have supplied for a particular item so please don't be too self-critical.

I heartily agree with your comments regarding those members of many forums whose sole purpose seems to nit-pick and find fault yet in most cases fail to publish examples of any work they may have done. There always seems to be at least one in every forum. They can always be 'ignored' though - a most useful facility!

Cheers,

Roger :thumbs: .
 
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Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Tim Hale said:
Pedantry tends to be a problem with certain demographics, any attempt to upload images of a model is certain to attract a veritable blizzard of 'not quite right' comments from those who either do not actually build anything or more likely have nothing better to do. Add to the mix that outsiders are often the target of these folk.

The recent upload elsewhere of the farmworker's cottage was met by the usual comments from the usual suspects however there is a problem, it is a fairly undersized offering as a kit from Faller, unfortunately there isn't a great deal of choice of smaller rural dwellings and even the smaller specialist manufacturers tend to avoid the mundane and humdrum.


The problem is not one of underscale but woefully short, the actual windows, doors and other bits are perfect, just the length of the side walls are the issue. Maybe a simple cut n'shut is the answer OR a less radical solution is to paint over the incorrect Fachwerke (exposed wood framing) on the lower part of the building just above the lower windows, this is needed anyway as the lower level is simply rendered.


There is a vague similarity to the Häcker family house from Ergersheim preserved as building 12 at the Fränkische Freilandmuseum in Bad Windsheim (above). The drawing reveals the disparity in length.

Btw, I can live with the slightly different pattern of Fachwerke, Konrad Bedal's book reveals multiple variations of regional styles.

The easier option will be tried first, if it fails, then I will perform some minor surgery on the kit unfortunately, there is very limited space to extend the side walls. A new roof from Kibri 34140, is waiting to be used.

Tim
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Looking at the larger versions of the house photos on the museum website shows that the ground floor walls are stone. The large stone quoins are visible, and suggested on the drawing, with random ashlar work walling. The stonework is a bit rough and finished with either lime wash or parging. Quite hard to model convincingly in plastic. Das over card or wood would work well. More scope for interesting paint effects to match the part exposed stonework.

The layout is coming together very convincingly and avoiding the chocolate box appearance many German (and other European) layouts tend towards.
 
RichardG

RichardG

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I'll give you two days! Seriously Tim, you clearly enjoy your modelling and enjoy sharing it.

A slightly "distant" photo of the whole layout would be good if this is possible. I'm struggling to see how the different scenes go together.

See you soon :)
 
Herb Garden

Herb Garden

Western Thunderer
Tim Hale said:
The intention is not to copy, but to create a reasonable resemblance, nothing more. The pedants don't care what I do, they will always criticize, so I just build what suits me. WT does not seem to be home to this demographic, it is refreshingly tolerant of those who simply build, share or just plain do stuff.
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As far as I'm concerned there is only one reason to make and play with toy trains: to have fun. That's why I do it. And it's nice to be part of a community that gets that.

A murrain on those who criticise for nothing but Thier own satisfaction!
 
RichardG

RichardG

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Tim Hale said:
Currently, the pedants on DSO are arguing about both the colour of cow dung and the quantity produced.
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I have no dung photos so I'll go for a bridge instead. I took these two photos less than two minutes apart.

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The colour of the brickwork and the timber hasn't changed a jot, but the way we perceive the colour certainly has. No wonder so many of us struggle with representing unpainted brick and timber.

Even if you build a fabulous lighting rig to reproduce sunlight or a cloudy sky or dusk at your chosen latitude and longitude, you will still have to decide upon the level of atmostpheric pollution and a specific viewing distance before you even start to paint anything *using a colour of your own making*. There is no right answer; and I suggest your critics are somewhat blinkered and unlikely to help. Better to post on WT ;)

I can't comment on the quantity.

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Kane Clements

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Richard Gawler said:
I have no dung photos so I'll go for a bridge instead. I took these two photos less than two minutes apart.

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The colour of the brickwork and the timber hasn't changed a jot, but the way we perceive the colour certainly has. No wonder so many of us struggle with representing unpainted brick and timber.

Even if you build a fabulous lighting rig to reproduce sunlight or a cloudy sky or dusk at your chosen latitude and longitude, you will still have to decide upon the level of atmostpheric pollution and a specific viewing distance before you even start to paint anything *using a colour of your own making*. There is no right answer; and I suggest your critics are somewhat blinkered and unlikely to help. Better to post on WT ;)

I can't comment on the quantity.

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Hi Tim.

It looks as if the light changed between the pictures. Also if you look at the top one the sky is a bit blown out whereas the second has a blue sky and nicely defined clouds. Probably the settings changed as well if you were on Auto.

You are right about the fickle nature of light and therefore colour. I'm a keen photographer and whilst Light Room is ones friend producing images that are 'true to life' can be a struggle. It is also dependent on the media one is outputting to inc choice of paper.

I figure the same goes for modelling. For instance if you make a building out of card and paint it the texture will affect the way the light is reflected and therefore the colour is perceived compared to say plastic.
 
RichardG

RichardG

Western Thunderer
Kane Clements said:
It looks as if the light changed between the pictures. Also if you look at the top one the sky is a bit blown out whereas the second has a blue sky and nicely defined clouds. Probably the settings changed as well if you were on Auto.
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Yes the camera was in its program mode, as our eyes are all the time. The idea was to show how difficult it is to identify and mix colours so they can appear to be what we are expecting. I think it would be nigh impossible to choose colours so that, given the right lighting rig, you could reproduce both appearances here.

Unfortunately, the post from which I quoted (which referred to the colour of dung) was heavily edited and now seems to have been deleted altogether. In the circumstances, my post may be irrelevant.
 
Tim Hale

Tim Hale

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Hi,

For the last few months I have been ignoring my deterioration and I suppose that this post is inevitable as recent events have had a profound effect and life is becoming increasingly difficult.

Pottendorf will be one of the first casualties.

Tim
 
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Overseer

Overseer

Western Thunderer
Tim Hale said:
Hi,

For the last few months I have been ignoring my deterioration and I suppose that this post is inevitable as recent events have had a profound effect and life is becoming increasingly difficult.

Pottendorf will be one of the first casualties.

Tim
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Very sorry to hear that. I have enjoyed watching the development of Pottendorf, your observation of details and working out how to represent them effectively. The layout is coming together so convincingly. Thank you for sharing it with us.
 
RichardG

RichardG

Western Thunderer
Tim I feel so sad for you. Your knowledge, skills and commitment have all been coming together so well. A buyer of your layout will have their own ideas, so I suggest you try to keep a part of the model indoors. Enjoy it as a static diorama for modelling and photography when opportunities permit.
 
Roger Pound

Roger Pound

Western Thunderer
Tim Hale said:
Hi,

For the last few months I have been ignoring my deterioration and I suppose that this post is inevitable as recent events have had a profound effect and life is becoming increasingly difficult.

Pottendorf will be one of the first casualties.

Tim
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As someone finding himself in a very similar position health-wise, albeit from different but just as serious causes, my sincere commiserations Tim. Your Pottendorf thread has been and remains both very educative and a delight. We just have to keep on doing what we can whilst we are able, my friend and I am so sad that you feel unable to continue.

Regards,

Roger.
 
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