James Spooner
Western Thunderer
‘Probably one or two‘ George?! That’s not what I saw when you showed me the photo of your Y14 work in progress shelf!
Nigel
The Chronicles of Canary Sidings - Eastern Eccentricity in EM
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Nigel
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
So those final necessary repairs are sorted on #510. The lamp bracket.....
The brake handle....
And the loco brakes. I've also removed the water level gauge from the tender as they were only fitted from 1902 and this is a 1899 machine. I doubt many people will mind but once I found out....
I've just realised this one will need a crew as well....
2024.03 - GER E22 class #151 - it's back in business
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
There had been a bit of a theme in my modeling recently about getting things moving and working, mostly returning to old projects and getting a batch of locos ready for painting.
Although I am well aware that I do have a layout to build and a deadline to meet my modelling motivation is currently fired up in this direction and i am just going to go with the flow.
So to the next project that should have been finished ages ago.
Although you've seen it before it's never had a proper introduction so:
The E22 class, later LNER J65 was the smallest of the modern GER 0-6-0T locos. Known as Babybucks here at canary sidings.
Here is the subject of this project the real #151 just after she was built.
And here she is prior to her first reboilering just before the turn of the century. This is the condition I'm modelling her in with the extra coal rails and the experimental steam ejectors fitted half way down the boiler. This was a one off and they were moved inside the cab on the R24s amongst others.
The model is built from the ex Riceworks etched kit which I was given for my 30th birthday a couple of years ago and was built to 00 gauge before being re-gauged last year to EM and then suffering a series of paint experiments until it finished up in the cabinet awaiting putting back into service.
It's now been put back together as a rolling chassis and I'm in the process of adding pickups.
It was always built in 2-4-0T configuration and I've kept that for the EM version. This was a trick by the ever frugal GER that when a buckjumper locomotive was on lighter duties the front rods were removed to make it freer running and save on fuel.... It just had to be modelled
The plan is that 151 along with 407 will provide the necessary motive power for skeetsmere until some red locos can be built. The pair should hopefully be joined by an accurascale machine as a spare loco later in the year ready for October.
For the first time I'm starting to achieve that family look the GER had at the turn of the last century
Although I am well aware that I do have a layout to build and a deadline to meet my modelling motivation is currently fired up in this direction and i am just going to go with the flow.
So to the next project that should have been finished ages ago.
Although you've seen it before it's never had a proper introduction so:
The E22 class, later LNER J65 was the smallest of the modern GER 0-6-0T locos. Known as Babybucks here at canary sidings.
Here is the subject of this project the real #151 just after she was built.
And here she is prior to her first reboilering just before the turn of the century. This is the condition I'm modelling her in with the extra coal rails and the experimental steam ejectors fitted half way down the boiler. This was a one off and they were moved inside the cab on the R24s amongst others.
The model is built from the ex Riceworks etched kit which I was given for my 30th birthday a couple of years ago and was built to 00 gauge before being re-gauged last year to EM and then suffering a series of paint experiments until it finished up in the cabinet awaiting putting back into service.
It's now been put back together as a rolling chassis and I'm in the process of adding pickups.
It was always built in 2-4-0T configuration and I've kept that for the EM version. This was a trick by the ever frugal GER that when a buckjumper locomotive was on lighter duties the front rods were removed to make it freer running and save on fuel.... It just had to be modelled
The plan is that 151 along with 407 will provide the necessary motive power for skeetsmere until some red locos can be built. The pair should hopefully be joined by an accurascale machine as a spare loco later in the year ready for October.
For the first time I'm starting to achieve that family look the GER had at the turn of the last century
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Paul Tomlinson
Western Thunderer
George, I think the J65 was the "cutest" of all the Buckjumpers. Thanks for showing us your work - it's prompting me to finish something I started a looong time ago (inspired by Mr. Rice).
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
Awww that's a proper wills finecast buckjumper! Lovely things! A model railway classic! I know there are state of the art etched kits and RTR models out there now but there is something so charming, so tactile about the vintage W/M kits that I can't put my finger but I have a real soft spot for them.
If you see some of my previous posts on #407 the base model was of the same pedigree as yours although mine had had a much harder paper round
Here's some more shots of her back from the paint shop
Pretty as the J67 may been I agree with you that the J65 is the cutest of the GER tanks ... So much so I have another kit somewhere waiting to be built but I will probs do that as one of the low tank variants and as an 0-6-0T just to be different
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
So it has been surprisingly tricky getting 151 back and running.
I completed the pickups and put her back on the test track and sparks ensued from under the footplate
The issue was that the front of the chassis was lower than the rear by 0.5mm which meant that the front wheels were shorting intermittently on the underside of the loco body. This must have happened when I rebuilt the chassis to EM. I had obviously put the compensation beam back in a bit high so the front was dipping down.
Problem was I couldn't get in to bend the beam to raise the loco front up at all so the only other option was to melt the solder joint and lower the beam assembly slightly.... Now that could terrifyingly ruin the running of the whole loco...
After much head scratching I built this rudimentary jig on which I could support the frames level and have the rear wheels on he ground. Yes it's two bolts soldered upside down to some brass sheet.
The chassis was then set level on the jig
You can see with the other two wheelsets on the deck and the chassis level there a definite gap under the front wheels....
In came the soldering iron there was a hiss and a ping and everything went quiet. And luckily now I have a working loco!!!
I do plan to stop this theme of getting locos working shortly but there is one more to do....
This is a hint!
I completed the pickups and put her back on the test track and sparks ensued from under the footplate
The issue was that the front of the chassis was lower than the rear by 0.5mm which meant that the front wheels were shorting intermittently on the underside of the loco body. This must have happened when I rebuilt the chassis to EM. I had obviously put the compensation beam back in a bit high so the front was dipping down.
Problem was I couldn't get in to bend the beam to raise the loco front up at all so the only other option was to melt the solder joint and lower the beam assembly slightly.... Now that could terrifyingly ruin the running of the whole loco...
After much head scratching I built this rudimentary jig on which I could support the frames level and have the rear wheels on he ground. Yes it's two bolts soldered upside down to some brass sheet.
The chassis was then set level on the jig
You can see with the other two wheelsets on the deck and the chassis level there a definite gap under the front wheels....
In came the soldering iron there was a hiss and a ping and everything went quiet. And luckily now I have a working loco!!!
I do plan to stop this theme of getting locos working shortly but there is one more to do....
This is a hint!
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
George,
I’m impressed by the way you are churning through locos in your fleet and getting them operational; it must be very satisfying!
Nigel
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
It is indeed.... I like playing trains almost as much as making them.... Problem is I now have more working stock than the test track can hold so might have to get back to layout building soon
Dave Sutton
Active Member
I was just re-reading some older MRJ's and came across the Iain Rice articles on the Buckjumpers, Do you have copies of this? If not I'll email via the NE EMGS group.
James Spooner
Western Thunderer
Yes, George and I both know Paul Willis - he’s in a GERS modelling co-ordination group with us.
Nigel
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
I don't have copies Dave. That would be very helpful indeed!
Dave Sutton
Active Member
No Problem, I'll scan/photo and send them either later or tomorrow evening. An interesting read.
2024.04 - GER Y14 class #510 - Painting
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
So it's been a while....
I thought I would be able to share in detail my painting method but truth be told I'm still working it out and each of the locomotives I'm working on have been painted in a different way... A few steps forward and some back...
Anyhow first to leave the paint shop is 510. In theory this didn't need much work but @Liver & Fry was kind enough to point out that the loco was looking a bit too grey.... So I've darkened the shade to a deeper black and here she is:
So this is 510 with the painting complete and yet to be weathered although I'm not sure where to draw that line as a lot of pre weathering has gone into the loco so far.
The texture of the paint still has a pattina and isn't museum standard smooth but that is intentional as it aids in weathering.
Transfers are from fox and etched plates are to my own artwork because other options don't get the GER font right.
Also the commercial options don't include the tender plate in thier offering ... But I do on mine and oh what a difference it makes
So there you have it.... Just weathering and details like coal and crew to go. Oh and the refitting of it's DCC chip...
I thought I would be able to share in detail my painting method but truth be told I'm still working it out and each of the locomotives I'm working on have been painted in a different way... A few steps forward and some back...
Anyhow first to leave the paint shop is 510. In theory this didn't need much work but @Liver & Fry was kind enough to point out that the loco was looking a bit too grey.... So I've darkened the shade to a deeper black and here she is:
So this is 510 with the painting complete and yet to be weathered although I'm not sure where to draw that line as a lot of pre weathering has gone into the loco so far.
The texture of the paint still has a pattina and isn't museum standard smooth but that is intentional as it aids in weathering.
Transfers are from fox and etched plates are to my own artwork because other options don't get the GER font right.
Also the commercial options don't include the tender plate in thier offering ... But I do on mine and oh what a difference it makes
So there you have it.... Just weathering and details like coal and crew to go. Oh and the refitting of it's DCC chip...
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
Where there's muck.....
Inspired by the work of some of the excellent modelling on WT from @wigancg, @NHY 581 and @Podartist79 I've decided to take the plunge and have a go and do some weathering... I haven't done anything like this in a decade so here goes....
Well that was fun! Just acrylic paint and weathering powders followed by bits of gouache dabbed hither and thither.
Also 510 now has at least one of her crew.... I really shouldn't have bothered painting his moustache as you can't see it.... But I know it's there...
Loving the modelu figures. Have bought more for all the other locos... Painting them is rather fun too although I'm really making it up as I go along what pre grouping train crews wore
Just a few final details to go.... And the fireman!
Inspired by the work of some of the excellent modelling on WT from @wigancg, @NHY 581 and @Podartist79 I've decided to take the plunge and have a go and do some weathering... I haven't done anything like this in a decade so here goes....
Well that was fun! Just acrylic paint and weathering powders followed by bits of gouache dabbed hither and thither.
Also 510 now has at least one of her crew.... I really shouldn't have bothered painting his moustache as you can't see it.... But I know it's there...
Loving the modelu figures. Have bought more for all the other locos... Painting them is rather fun too although I'm really making it up as I go along what pre grouping train crews wore
Just a few final details to go.... And the fireman!
NHY 581
Western Thunderer
Hi George,
Looking good and tganks for the walk on part. I read a few posts back that this is a back dated Hornby J15. Can you point me towards the steps you took to do the work please ?
I'm assuming (!) that's a Gibson chimney and that you've courageously removed the later extentions to the tender sides but what else have you done ?
Did you start with their LNER No. 7524, with original cab roof line ?
Sorry about the number of questions.......
Rob
Looking good and tganks for the walk on part. I read a few posts back that this is a back dated Hornby J15. Can you point me towards the steps you took to do the work please ?
I'm assuming (!) that's a Gibson chimney and that you've courageously removed the later extentions to the tender sides but what else have you done ?
Did you start with their LNER No. 7524, with original cab roof line ?
Sorry about the number of questions.......
Rob
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
Rob, absolutely no problem in the number of questions I apologise in advance for the number of answers...
I'm getting a bit of a reputation for cutting up Hornby j15s having a few on the go at the moment and a couple more waiting thier turn. James @Liver & Fry challenged me to have a go at this originally back in the early days of the pandemic and was kind enough to do a lot of the research. Which is exceeding helpful given a class of 289 examples built over a 30 year period there are a lot of detail differences
There isn't any details of how I did the conversions on WT as 510 was backdated before joining this forum but there are some pictures and of 151 on the GERS modelling showcase (which it would be remiss of me if i did not plug eh @Godders53 ?)
Unpainted GER Locos
Further to that I did a couple of how to articles in the GE news if you aren't a member I can send you a scan of those if that would help just drop me a pm.
510 was converted from the low cab variety but it's easy enough to convert a high cab one as the extended can roof unit is easily removed by a technical process known as yanking. You have to do this if you want an example built before 1893 as they all had lower cabsides and the only low cabside ones Hornby did have the high roof.
Other main things to watch out are the tender type. Hornby only make the later two variations out of 5 variants but they can be converted with a bit of cutting and shutting to the H14 and Z14 tender types (yes I know I am a geek) aoso good to know if the example you want was fitted or not. In GER days most were not
So to answer your actual questions... Yes it's a Gibson chimney and safety valve. Dome also if you want to do one of the early boiler variants as it was positioned further back.
What else have I done? Yes the tender top and a new plasitcard beading put round... That's a fiddle. The boiler is sanded down and the useless Hornby handrails in the wrong position replaced and the front end and smoke box door has been rebuilt with a scratch built new one. Washout plugs and Ross pop safety valves removed. Loco brakes removed on those which didn't have then in GER days. Cab roof replaced with a wood and canvas style one (plasitcard). I think that's everything.
I can upload some more photos of 510 before it was painted if I can find them on my old pc to illustrate and I should probably get round to getting another couple in service .... But need to get on with the layout as that exhibition deadline is creeping up...
I hope that helps?
Herb Garden
Western Thunderer
It's a fun project believe me.
Most important thing decide which specific loco you want to model .... This will drive your choice of donor model.
There's some great articles in the GERS journal and full drawings available for sale on our website for a very small fee which can all help.
Or failing that send a photograph or a running number and I can advise on suitable donor models.... Been there done that got the t-shirts....