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Steve C

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As part of joining the party I promised / threatened to unleash my creative side once again and so after casting around my 'things to finish' pile the nominees are a Lima CCT and Parkside Dundas Fruit D (having two on the go will stop me / you getting bored..).

The two are merely the first in a number of such vehicles which will form the basis of a small fleet for depicting a small parcels working on my yet to be built layout. The Lima CCT was picked up a few years back and whilst having a reasonable body, the roof had suffered a crack which I've noticed on a few second hand items - presumably down to the fact that the roof and glazing are moulded as a one piece unit which breaks when the windows are depressed. The Parkside Dundas Fruit D is pretty much in 'as built kit' status.

Firstly lets start with the CCT:Lima CCT unfettled.jpg

The above image is how it once looked - after I'd gone to town on it (i.e. depreciated it's value even more) then this is what I currently have:

Lima CCT hacked.jpgLima CCT hacked 2.jpg

I suppose now that I'll need to explain myself - because I'm an EMr (good to throw in a bit of txt spk so as not to betray my advanced years) then the Lima offering doesn't permit a simple exchange of wheelsets. I started out by removing as much material as I could from the rear of the sole bars / axle boxes but what was left was as wafer thin as an 'Eastenders' plot line, hence off they came. This presented an obvious flaw in that it wasn't ever going to be a free rolling spirit without wheels so what to do? Fortunately a set of MJT wagon compensation units charged to the rescue so after much hacking of the floor and even more packing it back out again, I arrived at the above point. The white patch in the second picture shows were the handbrake has been carved away - by being very careful and not swearing (a lot) you can take out the panel between the top and bottom of the solebar using the two side webs as a guide and replacing it with a piece of plasticard (by the time it's muckied up it shouldn't be too apparent0. You then have to do this on the other side...

Next it should be apparent that the windows aren't windows but holes for windows to go in - the Lima moulding has very faint raised beadings around each which try as I might I can't see on any pictures so off they came.

Now the most destructive step so far - away with the roof, no messing around in an effort to get it looking right as it was bust anyway. Like the wheels this then gave rise to having to create a replacement (there's always something isn't there..) but what? Studying pictures of the prototype the roof has a gutter strip which runs the full length of the body side and is moulded on the top of the body side of the Lima CCT. In the unmolested version, there is a gap between the roof and bodyside which has a tendency to get larger and more noticable so one of my plasticard efforts wasn't going to fare much better. So I thought in terms of brass (being a Yorkshireman by birth then this isn't an unusual occurance) and rolled out a suitable curved effort to which I soldered 1mm brass strip on either side. A couple of interior formers and something to screw into (behave!) means that when the roof is sited, the soldered on gutters hide the roof/side interface and also stop it from wandering about.

The Parkside Dundas Fruit D is like all things Parkside a joy to put together but because I want to depict a BR Swindon built electric light version then the floor has gone in upside down whilst the roof has had rainstrips / vents fitted.

Parkside Fruit D.jpg

And there we have it folks - if you aren't too traumatised by the rambling dialogue then I will do some honest toil in an effort to entertain you further...
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Fruit D... do not forget the electric light switch on the end... and the dynamo!

Looks like some serious changing going on in the background.

regards, Graham
 
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Steve C

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Fruit D... do not forget the electric light switch on the end... and the dynamo!

Looks like some serious changing going on in the background.

Hi Graham,

I'm quite adept at spoiling most things - Hornby 25 + Bachmann 25 = Class 24 McRat-oid

I was fortunate enough to be able to crawl all over (and under) a Fruit D at Tysley a while back so have lots of pictures of the above - also a battery box and switch panel needed. Now all I have to do is make them...

Regards

Steve
 
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Steve C

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I've seen the plea re: tagging the relevant scale in the thread title and have duly done so - hadn't realised that you could do this but then I'm new...

Further to yesterdays diatribe I've been assessing the CCT, especially the ends. Studying examples against the model then it was apparent that, although the moulded end detail seemed quite alright, there was something to do with it all. Then I realised that it's the gap at the top between the roof and the door framing - or rather it's the lack of it tht's the problem.
There should be a similar sized distance between the two as exists between the sides and the door framing and so I provided one (of sorts) - unfortunately this meant removing everything else...

Lima CCT Ends.jpg

Now I shall have to try and re-do all this fiddly detail (twice)...
 

mickoo

Western Thunderer
I think it might have been easier to add a thin narrow styrene strip to the top of the existing ends and shape accordingly, might have made the roof profile a little higher in the middle by 2mm or so, actually might have made the roof the correct profile as the current end might be too shallow due to the lack of gap between roof profile and door profile.

You'd also probably need a new roof as well, rock and a hard place scenario really.
 
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Steve C

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Hi Mick,

you are probably right re: the roof - I have another victim specimen to hand should this route not prove too successful.

I have a sneaking feeling that the bottom part of the doors i.e. the bottom flap which rests on the buffers, is a little too narrow in height whilst the whole end seems a little bit 'flat' in detail so I probably would have redone the ends anyway.

I'm fabricating an end assembly out of brass so will see how it pans out...
 

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Firstly the plea for the labelling of the scales was not aimed at you or any one else please don't take offence it just makes things easier for us older duffers, I still like reading the content irrespective of the scale. As for the bottom part of the doors yes they did rest on the buffers to enable cars to drive through the coaches to the front and then others to drive in afterwards.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
You'll have to excuse my ignorance of quaint any UK Rolling Stock, hence the question - what difference does fitting the floor upside down make..??
There are some who think that Swindon workers do it on their heads... they feel more comfortable when walking on floorboards underwithout kicking the frame members :rolleyes: .
 
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Steve C

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what difference does fitting the floor upside down make..??

Hi Jordan,

the floor comes with a representation of the transverse ribs to which the solebars are affixed - these are set for OO gauge. As I'm doing EM then it makes it easier to flip the floor upside down and then set the solebars 'manually' for EM - leaving the ribs intact retains the floor strength and as its a van they won't show anyway.

Also the BR built Fruit D vans were equipped with electric lighting which means a battery box & switch panel need fitting - sods law would have meant me having to carve away lots of plastic to allow it ....

Regards, Steve
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Also the BR built Fruit D vans were equipped with electric lighting which means a battery box & switch panel need fitting - sods law would have meant me having to carve away lots of plastic to allow it ....
If you do not know, Brian Daniels has built one of these vans in 7mm and equipped the model with the necessary gubbins for the electric lights. There are decent photos of the prototype fittings in his thread over there.

regards, Graham
 
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Steve C

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If you do not know, Brian Daniels has built one of these vans in 7mm and equipped the model with the necessary gubbins for the electric lights. There are decent photos of the prototype fittings in his thread over there.

Hi Graham,

thanks but I'm already aware of Brian's thread - I supplied some of the detailed pictures!

Regards, Steve
 
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Steve C

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Status update - still not finished...

The CCT continues to be the focus of attention with attempts being made to rectify the wanton act of removing all the end details. After trying the hard way to do it in brass, my efforts weren't entirely to my liking (i.e. crap) and so out came the sheaf of plasticard with which to make said end pieces.

Progress (of sorts)
Lima CCT  Progress.jpg


Comparison of ends (before & after)
Lima CCT Ends (Modified & Original).jpg
The basic shapes are there and I'm slightly pleased with it so far (I'm easily pleased), all I need to do now is fit the edge framing and plethora of small details (and remain sane whilst doing so) and then I'll still not be finished....
 
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Steve C

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Work continues unabated (well OK slightly abated) on the CCT and here's what I've got to show for my sterling efforts...
Buffer 1.jpgBuffer 2.jpg

BR built CCTs have got quite distinctive buffers which I don't think are available in 4mm (someone will now spoil my day and state otherwise!) so I thought I'd have a crack at them.

Consisting of six individual pieces, one of which is an MJT 18" sprung buffer head, they have improved my swear word vocabulary no end....
 

Pennine MC

Western Thunderer
BR built CCTs have got quite distinctive buffers which I don't think are available in 4mm (someone will now spoil my day and state otherwise!)

I think Dave Franks (Lanarkshire Model Supplies) might do them Steve, I'm sure he lists the ones for SR and LMS CCTs. Spoil your day, me?

Anyhoo ... I've often thought Bachmann could easily do a BR CCT, already having the GUV 'in range'. Their announcement is next month, y'know:p
 
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Steve C

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I think Dave Franks (Lanarkshire Model Supplies) might do them Steve, I'm sure he lists the ones for SR and LMS CCTs. Spoil your day, me?

I'd checked out the possibility of using RTF (ready to fit) bits after vaguely recalling someone advocating the use of SR/LMS buffers but they aren't the same (hurrah!)....

Anyhoo ... I've often thought Bachmann could easily do a BR CCT, already having the GUV 'in range'. Their announcement is next month, y'know

That will be just in time for the finish of this one then....
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
Aren't they basically identical to the LMS CCT buffers with a sort of U shape step welded on the top? Oh, and fully round heads. I see that you can get these Lanarkshire buffers pre-drilled... Nice work.

Adam
 
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