P4 New Street

[Phill Dyson]

Just been catching up Jim, I love what your doing........as others have said, I think it's great that good old Lima still have a place on a model of this quality

Phill

 

[lancer1027]

Jim, This is an incredible layout/thread. Your detail is very inspiring and i look forward to your next progress pictures.

Rob

 

[Simon Dunkley]

Liked 'em in green as well, mind.

I probably would have liked them like that, too, but unlike you, I am not old enough to remember them...

 

[Jordan]

There's a lot to be said for the Lima models .... Fit two pancake motors into the chassis, and the slow running capabilities (and control) are better than a central motor / flywheel mech' IMHO.

That's quite a contentious statement, IMHO of course...!!
Lima pancake-drive locos did always benefit from extra weight, though, I'll grant that, and body-wise, apart from some areas they struggled with such as E.E. Type windscreens, their body mouldings did become very good and well worth enhancing with some extra detailing.

 

[Alycidon]

That's quite a contentious statement, IMHO of course...!!

Perhaps not contentious, but debatable nonetheless. Not wishing to go off-topic too much (as Jim obviously has room for some Lima loco(s) on BNS), my findings are based on a large fleet of double motored Lima models, the majority of them having performed well on roundy roundy layouts for the past 25 years.

Taking Heljan and Bachmann as examples with central motor and flywheels, I have found there is a certain amount of resistance to overcome before they get rolling along, and a slight reduction in power is required to stop them accelerating away too quickly. Once moving, the controlability is good. I've no experience of Continental or American mechanisms, which is perhaps the reason for surprise. Lima mechanisms are basic and noisy to say the least, but once well run-in (with additional electrical pickups fitted) perform very well, with haulage of 12 coach rakes being a breeze. Consistent crawling and shunting duties are a pleasure to perform, unlike some of my central motored locos.

 

[Jordan]

I see where you're coming from with that. Conversely I've no experience of British 4mm flywheel drive locos, only American (or Japanese, to be pedantic about some of them!!) There probably is quite a different driving technique for flywheel drive and pancake motors, thinking about it. Do you replace the Lima 'pizza cutter' wheelsets?

 

[Jim S-W]

Not wishing to go off-topic too much (as Jim obviously has room for some Lima loco(s) on BNS),

As long as others dont mind I am more than happy for the topic to wander off on its own now and then

Cheers

Jim

 

[Alycidon]

Thanks Jim - Steel tyred Ultrascales fitted Jordan. The Lima locos are a pleasure to shunt around the stabling point, with good slow starting and control. Something like a heavy Bachmann Peak will tend to lurch forward after the initial resistance is overcome, but is better on the mainline starts with a good load behind.


This is my Lima model of 47465 at the Parcels depot. If I was starting from scratch, I think it would be the ViTrains option, but as yet they haven't produced a pre headlight version. I've also heard it's a bugger to remove the numbers easily.

Looking forward to seeing more of the insane modelling which is New Street. I admire your attention to detail, particularly in areas that wouldn't normally be seen. I'm more of a bodger with the stuff that's out of sight! BNS 80s isn't my favourite era and area, but the layout and stock tick a lot of boxes!

 

[Jim S-W]

Hi All

Sloshed some paint on my phone box - Its a fair bit bigger in the pic than it is in real life. Note the impression of business cards on the wall.

Cheers

Jim

 

[Jim S-W]

Hi All

On one of my (many) research trips I came across these

A perfect little detail to place in a corner somewhere for people to not notice so a bit of a faff around with some microstrip and 0.4mm wire and I have made a copy.

Needs lettering and weathering yet but actually 'made a copy' is a bit of a fib as I made 3 of them

All 3 of them sit nicely on a 2 pence piece too!

Cheers

Jim

 

[Pennine MC]

Ah, that's what those giant coins were at Donny in '78 then

 

[28ten]

That is the sort of small detail that makes all the difference, I assume it is a toolbox on top?

 

[adrian]

That is the sort of small detail that makes all the difference, I assume it is a toolbox on top?

You mean rather than a coffin - which was my first thought!!

 

[Jim S-W]

Not sure whats in it. Perhaps it's hoses?

Cheers

Jim

 

[iploffy]

If I see the fitters at New Street I will ask, OK

Ian

 

[Jim S-W]

Thanks Ian. That would be great

Jim

 

[mth]

IIRC it held the pipe and connection for the coolant.

 

[28ten]

IIRC it held the pipe and connection for the coolant.

Thinking about it that would make sense. I assume it is lost due to the heat and evaporation and not leakage?

 

[Pugsley]

Thinking about it that would make sense. I assume it is lost due to the heat and evaporation and not leakage?

I think there was a certain amount of leakage as well, but I think the new cooler groups fitted during refurbishment have cured those problems.

 

[Jim S-W]

Hi All

Anyone bored of 47s yet? Another shot of 47457 from the Vi-trains stable.

Cheers

Jim