New kits that were released at ExpoEM spring by Pre-Grouping Railways

Jim smith-wright

Western Thunderer
I'm starting to realise why I was stopped promoting my range on the other place. It looks like one of the big box stacker is copying my entire range. Over the last few months my LBSCR brake van, LBSCR 5plk, GER 5plk, SECR/LBSCR 7plk, minks and gunpowder vans have already been done.
Coincidence?

Marc
It would be chartable to say it is but the manufacturer behind this has ben steadily picking off already available kits since they first appeared. It seems that they have sought council of a load of self appointed experts who know a fair bit about the 00 market but significantly less about the actual railway. Don't dare raise it with them though as (like another of the new breed manufactures) their staff think professionalism is just attacking and bullying people into silence. Ive send them multiple lists of LMS prototypes that have never been done but they just ignore that then claim I never sent them anything.
 
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Marc Dobson

Western Thunderer
I wonder if I started to copy their loco range but made them capable of being convinced to EM and P4 they would mind? I have a copy of the GA for a NER H(Y7) Infront of me.
 

Mike W

Western Thunderer
It is annoying but that's life. Even in the minority scale of Gauge 3 I produced a resin kit for the common Midland 3-plank dropside. Now there are three others doing the exact same wagon, though two are solid printed. I don't actually mind at all and welcome more manufacturers in Gauge 3.
Mike
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Marc,

You can make the best mousetrap in the world but unless you tell people about it you ain’t going to sell any!

I don’t recall seeing an advert for your products in any of the magazines I see.

Ian.
 

Mike W

Western Thunderer
Oh, so you do! That's a 5th supplier of Midland dropsided wagons in Gauge 3. I know it was a common wagon, but ...
(yes Mark, fully understand that you have the file anyway so may as well offer it - I really don't have a problem with that).
Mike
 

RonnieS

Western Thunderer
I have to say I was unaware of your range until I chanced on this. It all looks good stuff and needs a wider exposure. Maybe a submission of a kit to BRM?
 
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Flaxfield

Western Thunderer
Frankly, I'm quite disappointed to read these type of comments on Western Thunder.


I'm starting to realise why I was stopped promoting my range on the other place. It looks like one of the big box stacker is copying my entire range. Over the last few months my LBSCR brake van, LBSCR 5plk, GER 5plk, SECR/LBSCR 7plk, minks and gunpowder vans have already been done.
Coincidence?

Marc

Marc, not every pre-grouping wagon is commercially viable, certainly given the investment required for tooling a RTR wagon. There are many factors they need to consider, as I'm sure you do when picking your prototypes to produce so duplication of your kit range is sadly inevitable. Unfortunate, but inevitable.
You are not alone in encountering issues surrounding offering your products on RmWeb A good friend of mine was also told to stop offering his pre grouping 3D printed wagons for sale on RmWeb. I understand that this followed a complaint from a member on there , one who promoted his similar products thereon. Sadly, that complaint has led to everyone being treated the same.
It's pretty easy to work out which manufacturer you are referring to. I'd be wary of making those kind of suggestions, without any basis in fact. Think about it, you are infering on a public forum that a manufactuer has had a hand in another manufactuer being prevented or disrupted from trading in a particular place. It is simply a case as above. If you now wish to offer or advertise products on RmWeb which are produced commercially, you have to pay. The same as an ad in a magazine or a stand at a model railway show.

It would be chartable to say it is but the manufacturer behind this has ben steadily picking off already available kits since they first appeared. It seems that they have sought council of a load of self appointed experts who know a fair bit about the 00 market but significantly less about the actual railway. Don't dare raise it with them though as (like another of the new breed manufactures) their staff think professionalism is just attacking and bullying people into silence. Ive send them multiple lists of LMS prototypes that have never been done but they just ignore that then claim I never sent them anything.

I think it's inevitable that prototypes, previously the preserve of the kit manufacturers are now being produced by RTR companies but in my view, kits still appeal to the kit builders whereas the RTR models appeal, and open up the pre-grouping era to those who don't want to build kits but do want to model the period. I think there is room for both. Those who model in EM or P4 will continue to build from the kit, though there will be some who will utilise those RTR items that convert easily.
As for their 'attacking and bullying' staff ( if we are indeed talking about the same company as Marc, and I believe we are ), in my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.

At least it's not me being paranoid. Now I know they are out to get everyone.
Marc

Really ? Please tell me that your tongue is firmly in your cheek.

As I said at the start, are these comments really what Western Thunder is about ?

Surely not.

Rob
 

David Mylchreest

Western Thunderer
I wonder if I started to copy their loco range but made them capable of being convinced to EM and P4 they would mind? I have a copy of the GA for a NER H(Y7) Infront of me.
I have looked pretty closely at the Y7 and I've come to the conclusion that there isn't enough clearance for P4. I don't see why they could mind, they are producing for the 00 segment of the market not EM or P4
 
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