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ullypug

Western Thunderer
If mine turns out half as good as that I shall be well pleased!
I missed seeing you at Expo EM. Probably because I was in a world of my own!
What have you got on your bench now?

Regards

Mike
Thanks! Expo was a very busy weekend. I was charging about everywhere. Sorry to miss you.
On the bench at the moment is this Blacksmith top light which I intend to use as the centre car between the GW twin railcar set. It’s moved on a bit since I took this picture and is now an assembled body IMG_8530.jpeg
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
Having decided to ditch the WM brakes my thoughts turned to a replacement. What could I use that I already had plenty of and had the ability to accommodate a 3'7" wheel? The answer lies in some sprung bogie chassis.
I've always used this type of bogie for my coaches, but I've never fitted brakes. The reason being that they are an absolute bar&&&d to fit without shorting. So consequently I never use them.

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All the handrails are in, as is the underframe support. The van runs really nicely without any weight, but it will still get some. All these parts were salvaged from the spares box...a box where all unused etches go to live once a build is finished - usually.

I did have to spend most of this PM fettling the brakes, as the half etched covers to the actual brake moved while soldering causing running problems. The rest of the afternoon was spent tidying up the rest of the WM castings. I'm not sure what oil boxes were used on this, so that's a problem to sort out tomorrow. Hopefully somewhere out there in the ether lies a replacement.

Off to Perrygrove tomorrow for some steam time with my Grandson Harry and then home afterwards when I'll crack on with the braking arrangements, that's if my eyes can stop watering for a couple of minutes. I'm hoping the pollen won't be this bad tomorrow, really regretting not having the steroid spray earlier this year for my hay fever.

Have a great weekend.

Stay safe

Mike.
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
More progress on the van...

All under frame parts have been completed, brakes, gas cylinder, battery box and vacuum cylinder. I'm still trying to source springs and oil boxes for the beast.
Next and possibly the last job to do (till the roof turns up), will be the lower step board. Not really looking forward to that. Making 8 lengths of wire the same to hold this step, for me, will be challenging.
Working screw link couplings and lamp irons are from Masokits. The lamp irons were quite easy to fold up - not like Mike at all - but soldering them in place was quite the experience. Something I'd rather not have to do again.

This is where I am right now:

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Still a lot of filling to do, I'll use Vallejo filler for that. Starts off really runny, but quickly stiffens to be shaped. And some scrapping off of the overly zealous soldering as well.

The clock is running down now so the remaining jobs have to be completed by Friday. I've penciled in Saturday as painting day. Weather the coaches and 51xx and get the van into maroon. Transfers are another matter.

Stay safe

Mike.
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
A couple of good sessions yesterday saw the van body completed.

I had no option but to use the springs and oil boxes provided. I did find a suitable set on MJT - pt no : 2258: GWR OIL AXLEBOX WITH 6 FT J-HANGER SPRING - out of stock! :rant: The WM parts are separate (oil box from spring) this did not suit me as the bearings in the W irons were wider than the hole in the back of oil box. This meant I had to open out the back of the oil box and then solder the oil box to the spring. If I did not have a temp controlled solder iron I'd have been completely screwed. I added an additional 40 gms of lead, this has certainly affected the van's running, just wanders off the bench of it's own accord.

As to the lower step...Bill Bedford wire folding jig to the fore. It was a real faff to get these into place and I really should have put these into the chassis a lot earlier, it would have saved an enormous amount of time and blue language. Anyway, they went in and it all lined up nicely. I also discovered that the drawing in the instructions is actually 4mm scale, wish I'd checked that before I started the build!
The only grey cloud on the horizon is the whooping great steam pipe. I'll have to have another look at that in the morning to see if I can live with it. If I can't, then replacements will have to be found and put in place before any paint goes near it.

It's been a fun kit to put together, certainly tested the problem solving skills dept. Would I build another...umm, no. I'd rather photocopy the etches and redraw them to be etched. Half etched lines breaking free from the body etch is a big no no in my book. May take a lit longer to do, but at least it would all fit without any surprises. But, as a kit of it's time, it's better than many of the same ilk.

The roof is awaiting my 3D guru's return from holiday, hopefully not too long to wait for that.

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Since these photos were taken it's had a really good clean with Viakal and is currently drying.

Off to Barrow Road tomorrow, where the M set will be united with their engine for a first run and if I have time do up the screw in the County gearbox and glue it in, that will also be getting a run out.

SWMBO is out of here tomorrow morning, back on Tuesday, so beers and curry tomorrow evening. Saturday is a painting day, plus some gardening - I did promise.
Sunday sees a visit to the Glos & Warwks railway for their steam gala. Apparently theres a beer tent...who knew? :)

Next is getting the Grange to a finish. Then - at some stage - I shall create the freight that were on the back of her in my photo (from memory there's only a few items that I don't have to complete the train). If/when that's complete, I shall have 4 trains that are completely historically and factually correct for Hengoed, which for me is quite exciting.

Stay safe

Mike.
 
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Nick Rogers

Western Thunderer
Nick
How much weight do you need to get the springs to work?
Rumney models recommend 50 gms…

Last time I spoke to Jeremy he had the 8’6” chassis and was still waiting for the 9 footers - that was a year ago.

Mike
Lovely clips BTW

Hello Mike,

50-55grams is about what mine are some are 60. One or two are a tad more but they all run well at roughly the same weight.

Thanks for the information regarding the BB chassis. I do hope he can get them as that would be such a boom for us GWR modellers!

Best wishes,

Nick
 

Dave Holt

Western Thunderer
Looking good, Mike, after the various trials and tribulations. I have to agree that the vacuum brake standpipes and hoses look grossly over scale and need replacing - they're not that hard to make from a brass wire armature (about 0.6 or 0.7 mm) wound with 5 amp fuse wire to represent the corrugated hose.
Hope you enjoy the GWSR Gala on Sunday. I've got lots of other things to do this weekend, not least a gig at the town Fun Day, so won't be going. Please say "Hello" to our loco (35006, P&O) for me.
Cheers,
Dave.
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
Looking good, Mike, after the various trials and tribulations. I have to agree that the vacuum brake standpipes and hoses look grossly over scale and need replacing - they're not that hard to make from a brass wire armature (about 0.6 or 0.7 mm) wound with 5 amp fuse wire to represent the corrugated hose.
Hope you enjoy the GWSR Gala on Sunday. I've got lots of other things to do this weekend, not least a gig at the town Fun Day, so won't be going. Please say "Hello" to our loco (35006, P&O) for me.
Cheers,
Dave.

The drawings giving the dimension I've seen (but there was probably variation) show about 2" or a smidge more in diameter - so 0.7mm is spot on. Making them is easy, but the Lanarkshire Models ones are good (likewise the ABS/Modelstock ones - the MJT ones don't tuck under the buffer beam).

Adam
 

ullypug

Western Thunderer
Looking really good Mike.
Your model has made me question a couple of things about mine. Clearly my step board is too low and will require raising. The other is the battery box. I couldn’t find a photo showing one in existence and the instructions were non committal on the subject so I haven’t fitted one. Did you have anything to the contrary?

Steam photo
 

simond

Western Thunderer
I didn’t fit a battery box to mine on the basis a) there wasn’t any provision for a battery box, or dynamo, in the kit, and b) there is a gas tank, which I replaced with a 3DP, and which I presume to be for gas lighting.

Not sure when gas lighting was fully phased out, but surely electric would have been fitted at some point?

Hth
Simon
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
The lower foot board should be in line with the centre line of the oil box…as yours is. I mis measured the drawing and the board is probably 1.5 mm to high. TBH I only discovered this after I’d soldered the lot in.
The battery box was in my instructions. But no battery box was included in the castings, such is the value of the ‘spares box’ :). There was a dynamo tho.

Mike
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
A few spare moment before the distant rumble of thunder was heard on the M4 - SWMBO was on her way back. This afternoon has been really good. I've managed to wheel the Grange. It runs without binding! which makes me think how I'll cock this up before the pick-ups go on!

And gave this fella a top coat. I can't make up my mind whether to paint by hand or spray the under frame.

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Next is to find some appropriate transfers...

Stay safe

Mike.
 

Mike Garwood

Western Thunderer
This is a warning to all who have 'old' kits...

To quote Tolkein "All that glitters is not gold" from the Lord of the rings.

As you know, work has recommenced on the Grange. So while I gave thought to the bogie and how to engage the springing on it. I remembered that I had some washers with a one-eighth hole but were 10 mm in overall diameter...stick with me - but no memory of where I put them. My study (work room) has 4 possible landing sites for things that, that are modelling oriented. So, I started to dig thru the piles. While I was digging, I came across an old WM kit from ABS - who are still around - a kit that I've had for over 25 years. In fact the kit was in a plastic bag and the see thru plastic had clouded so badly I couldn't see the castings. The kit was for a Barry Railway 10t van. I have the book for the Barry railway (Oakwood Press) this is full of line drawings for some of their stock.

You know what comes next...

Took the package to my desk, opened it and spilled the castings onto the desk and the first thing that hit me was the quality of the castings, really good. Yes, they needed more work to fit cleanly. The brakes were cast as was the brake handle and locking mech. I had spares of a 9" etch for the brakes and spare brake handles and locking mech. And just as happen stance would have it, I had discovered some Masokits sprung W irons some days earlier. All this was going on while the Grange wheeled chassis was starring me in the face, daring me to fit the pick-ups and chip. I ignored the look.

It'll only take a couple of hours to get this together, famous last thoughts!

And so commenced the comedy of errors...

Having got the body into a box, but with no roof in the kit or floor, easy enough I'll cut some spare brass to size for those items. Attention turned to the W irons. Soldered these up and the wheels spun - great this isn't going to take too long after all. This was the first error. I didn't check the fit between the sole bars. So then I built the etches for the brakes - from the Bill Bedford range, something else that you can no longer get. They were available from Wizard models but just about everything that Bill designed, is out of stock - it'll come as no surprise that they wouldn't fit. But not by a lot. Ok, a little filing with a bastard file should see me through this. After 10 mins of filing, I was no where. Time for the big guns. Out with the dremmel drill and an attachment that still makes my blood run cold. But violence was needed. Error number 2 & 3 coming up.
A couple of minutes later the W irons fitted, at an expense. I'd had to sweep away most of the floor support. And my floor, my chair and trousers were now fully covered in shards of WM! Not so bad, until I realised that the springs and oil boxes had taken a turn for the worse - these were cast directly onto the sole bar. 3 of them were now hanging on by a thread. The fourth was on the floor...somewhere.
Also, the carefully soldered box was now back to four constituent parts.

Bored of this yet - I wouldn't blame you...

Re-soldered the sides, cut the floor to size and soldered that in. Next was to repair and re-site the springs and oil boxes - which were considerably thinner than they were. Some very delicate soldering and breath holding went on. Soldered the W irons in place. Put the wheels in and gave it a push, only to find that it started to turn a corner and didn't run straight. Un-soldered the W irons, and while doing that, the floor fell out. Gotta love modeling...
Re-soldered the floor, used the Brassmasters jig to keep the wheels in true alignment, only to find I need to take more out of the casting, so that they'd fit properly...out with the floor - again. More shards to join those already around the place!
Back in with the floor and back in with the W irons. Now a trial fit of the brakes, they were too low on the wheels! Various thicknesses of plastic card were used to get the right height for the brakes. The brake blocks needed filing for the wheels to run properly when the springs took the weight of the van.
By now I was really beginning to take all these problems personally. By now time was ticking away, that couple of hours had passed 6 hours ago.
And so to the roof, bent a piece of thin plastic card over the end and marked where the ends met the card. In case you're wondering, 33mm in width and 62 mm long. Now the fun of bending to shape. It didn't take as long as I feared to get a good fit. Soldered the roof in, then the buffers and finally the brake handles and mech. I have to admit to using the WM stuff for these parts, because after 10 hours at it, I was knackered.

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Ladies and Gentlemen a Barry Railway 10t ventilated van, with the Grange chassis glaring at it.

Just to top things off, I never did find the washer...so, if you are tempted to build an ancient kit, don't, just don't!

Stay safe

Mike
 
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