oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Delighted to hear they've landed. Hope you'll have a super Bristol Show. I'll see you there.
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7mm Little Loco Company Class 15 Loco THEY HAVE ARRIVED !
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Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Gentlemen
Thank you all for the kind words, I hope to see many of you at Bristol .
Work is progressing on the Rushton and currently on schedule for release later this year.
Richard
Thank you all for the kind words, I hope to see many of you at Bristol .
Work is progressing on the Rushton and currently on schedule for release later this year.
Richard
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Unfortunately I couldn't get to the Bristol show as I went down with flu that weekend, but I have finally got hold of a Class 15.
I know I'm a bit biased but I do think it's the best ready run diesel out there.
Sadly it hasn't all been plain sailing. We thought it would be when they arrived but then we found there is a fault with the pickup wires to the rear bogie. The factory left them too long and they rub on the carden shaft making the loco's really noisy. So poor Steve has had to fix every one himself by taking the body off and taping the wires to the chassis, which is why it has taken us so long to get these sent out to people. We also found that the transfer sheet were not the pressfix ones we asked for, but waterslide transfers covered in pink film with guide lines printed on it that you have leave for 10 hours to dry before you remove the pink film. They actually work really well but we had to get a new instruction sheet printed pretty quickly to let people know what to do.
It's an easy conversion to S7 very similar to a heljan loco but a wheel puller comes in really handy for getting the wheels off the axle.
Once its weathered I will post some more photos.
Richard
I know I'm a bit biased but I do think it's the best ready run diesel out there.
Sadly it hasn't all been plain sailing. We thought it would be when they arrived but then we found there is a fault with the pickup wires to the rear bogie. The factory left them too long and they rub on the carden shaft making the loco's really noisy. So poor Steve has had to fix every one himself by taking the body off and taping the wires to the chassis, which is why it has taken us so long to get these sent out to people. We also found that the transfer sheet were not the pressfix ones we asked for, but waterslide transfers covered in pink film with guide lines printed on it that you have leave for 10 hours to dry before you remove the pink film. They actually work really well but we had to get a new instruction sheet printed pretty quickly to let people know what to do.
It's an easy conversion to S7 very similar to a heljan loco but a wheel puller comes in really handy for getting the wheels off the axle.
Once its weathered I will post some more photos.
Richard
richard carr
Western Thunderer
I have finally got round to weathering the class 15
richard carr
Western Thunderer
BrushType4
Western Thunderer
Superb 
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Overseer
Western Thunderer
Hi Richard
The weathering looks good but the close up photos emphasise what I think is a problem with the model. The prototype had a convex curve in the roof at each end, giving a distinct 'Roman nose' look to them, which is missing from this model. I have been holding off from commenting as I have not seen an actual model, and the rest of it looks so good.
These photos scanned from Modern Locomotives Illustrated No 186 show the distinctive curve in the cantrail ends and the domed roof ends. Its not much but to my eye is critical for capturing the look of the locos.
The weathering looks good but the close up photos emphasise what I think is a problem with the model. The prototype had a convex curve in the roof at each end, giving a distinct 'Roman nose' look to them, which is missing from this model. I have been holding off from commenting as I have not seen an actual model, and the rest of it looks so good.
These photos scanned from Modern Locomotives Illustrated No 186 show the distinctive curve in the cantrail ends and the domed roof ends. Its not much but to my eye is critical for capturing the look of the locos.
BrushType4
Western Thunderer
You'll be getting your files out then??!
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Hi Richard
Looking at the cab photograph of D8229 above. Did all of the class receive the post '65 corporate numbering and double arrow emblem straight onto the green livery, apart from the few which received their corporate numbers and emblem on a blue panel?
Looking at the cab photograph of D8229 above. Did all of the class receive the post '65 corporate numbering and double arrow emblem straight onto the green livery, apart from the few which received their corporate numbers and emblem on a blue panel?
Overseer
Western Thunderer
Is that the cad file or a warding bastard?You'll be getting your files out then??!
It needs filler first to build up the convex shape, the the files. Not sure if styrene sheet stuck on or Milliput would be the best starting point. It is only a minor nose job after all, not a full face transplant as seen elsewhere on WT.
richard carr
Western Thunderer
Dave
No is the short answer, as I have managed to find a photo of one numbered 8209 with data panels (which are probably blue but as its a black and white picture who knows) and full yellow ends.
It's actually difficult to find pictures of any of them with the BR arrows other than the 3 carriage heating units based at Ipswich, but the few I found are arrows straight onto green livery some with blue data panels.
Richard
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
I think the data panels would have been printed on blue vinyl. That's why they stand out on green locos. Clear vinyl was probably too expensive.
Stoke5D
Western Thunderer
Hmmmm...... the nose and rear hood corners on that b/w photo of 8209 look rather more like the model - a 'straighter' curve (if that's not bad english?!) - than on those other prototype photos!!
You're right, the photo's of 8209 don't look anything like the 8216 and 8229 as regards the roof profile, especially at the Cab end. I wonder if there is an unofficial earlier and later version. Interesting...
Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
I recall a comment in the book "Vulcan 607", about the RAF 'Black Buck' ops to the Falklands in 1982. It was talking about the age of the aircraft that took part; they were nearing retirement, & it was said that although one Vulcan looked much like another, they were more-or-less hand built machines, & each might have subtle variations.
After a flick through google images of Class 15s, I'd say the same applies - they weren't mass-produced things built by robots; there seems to be some variation in those compound curves, & it could be unwise to be too pedantic about what is or isn't correct on a model?
After a flick through google images of Class 15s, I'd say the same applies - they weren't mass-produced things built by robots; there seems to be some variation in those compound curves, & it could be unwise to be too pedantic about what is or isn't correct on a model?
mickoo
Western Thunderer
From photos collected off the web over several years (copyright unknown so can't really post them).
Double arrows applied to;
8213 - Stratford 69
8226 - Colchester 69
8228 - Ipswich 69 - Colchester 71
8229 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70 - Ipswich 71
8231 - Hornsey 71 - Ipswich 71
8234 - Liverpool Street no date
8236 - Stratford 69
8240 - Stratford no date
8242 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70
Data panels which are definitely blue 8242 - Stratford 70 above is a colour photo and clearly shows a blue panel.
8204 - Crewe 72
8207 - Ipswich no date - Stratford no date
8211 - Stratford 71
8212 - Ipswich no date
8216 - Ipswich 69
8220 - Harwich 69
8221 - Stratford 69 - Colchester 71
8224 - Stratford 71
8225 - Ipswich 70
8226 - Colchester 69
8228 - Ipswich 69 - Colchester 71
8229 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70 - Ipswich 71
8230 - Stratford no date
8231 - Hornsey 70 - Ipswich 71
8232 - Finsbury Park no date
8234 - Liverpool Street no date
8242 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70
I don't have photos for every member or time line but the above might help a few folks.
MD
Double arrows applied to;
8213 - Stratford 69
8226 - Colchester 69
8228 - Ipswich 69 - Colchester 71
8229 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70 - Ipswich 71
8231 - Hornsey 71 - Ipswich 71
8234 - Liverpool Street no date
8236 - Stratford 69
8240 - Stratford no date
8242 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70
Data panels which are definitely blue 8242 - Stratford 70 above is a colour photo and clearly shows a blue panel.
8204 - Crewe 72
8207 - Ipswich no date - Stratford no date
8211 - Stratford 71
8212 - Ipswich no date
8216 - Ipswich 69
8220 - Harwich 69
8221 - Stratford 69 - Colchester 71
8224 - Stratford 71
8225 - Ipswich 70
8226 - Colchester 69
8228 - Ipswich 69 - Colchester 71
8229 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70 - Ipswich 71
8230 - Stratford no date
8231 - Hornsey 70 - Ipswich 71
8232 - Finsbury Park no date
8234 - Liverpool Street no date
8242 - Harwich 70 - Stratford 70
I don't have photos for every member or time line but the above might help a few folks.
MD
OzzyO
Western Thunderer
One thing that I have noticed with the class 15s is that when working is that the disc tends to be set (to closed) to above the lights and in some photos it looks like they are showing a lot more light than they should. On this loco we know that the discs are closed but you can see a lot of white light.
If the driver was running the train at night it would (or could look like) a brake down train or the Royal Train. As all of the electric lights could have been on show .
IIRC. The L.M. instructed that all of the drivers made sure that only the correct head could could be shown by the discs. The white discs and that any disc that was not showing a white light had to be closed across the light at night just to make sure that no wrong lights were shown.
If the driver was running the train at night it would (or could look like) a brake down train or the Royal Train. As all of the electric lights could have been on show .
IIRC. The L.M. instructed that all of the drivers made sure that only the correct head could could be shown by the discs. The white discs and that any disc that was not showing a white light had to be closed across the light at night just to make sure that no wrong lights were shown.
Overseer
Western Thunderer
Interestingly, and not too pedantically I hope, D8209 does seem to have had some pretty rough panel work on the ends which is not visible in photos of other members of the class that I have seen. It looks like some panel beating has taken place but it may just be that the body builders at the Yorkshire Engine Co were hand beating panels and the apprentices had a go on the last of the Pilot Scheme locos. This photo was taken in 1959 when the loco was less than a year old so I wouldn't expect it to be the result of accident repairs. I wonder what the designer, John Barnes of Allen Barnes Bowden Ltd, had to say about this one. Maybe he didn't inspect it as he had done the earlier locos.
The production batch were had bodies built by Clayton Equipment Co in Derby and the curves do seem more consistent - probably produced using a press tool. This is D8229 at Clapham Junction on 14 July 1962.
Both images cropped scans from MLI186 to illustrate the difference.
The production batch were had bodies built by Clayton Equipment Co in Derby and the curves do seem more consistent - probably produced using a press tool. This is D8229 at Clapham Junction on 14 July 1962.
Both images cropped scans from MLI186 to illustrate the difference.