Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Does anyone know of a better/clearer photograph of this horsebox? I would like to see more detail around the window area.
Jon
Jon
LBSCR Early Horsebox
- Thread starter Jon Nazareth
- Start date
demu1037
Western Thunderer
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Andy
That's one I've not seen, thanks for posting it. Is this from a book?
Jon
That's one I've not seen, thanks for posting it. Is this from a book?
Jon
Steph Dale
Western Thunderer
Guys,
I saw the Oldravendale PMV puddle - I'd suggest using either solvent-free impact adhesive or a cyanoacrylate-based laminating adhesive such as 'Sheet ZAP' if you need to build up solid layers. Neither will release solvents into the plastic sheet.
Small areas of softening can be solved by drilling through them, allowing the solvent to evaporate out. It does take a while (I've got one model badly affected which is only firming up after a year!) and the holes can then be plugged with styrene rod or filler. In either case using a solvent-free medium...!
Thin superglue also has a place as this can be flowed into a joint using capillary action.
Steph
I saw the Oldravendale PMV puddle - I'd suggest using either solvent-free impact adhesive or a cyanoacrylate-based laminating adhesive such as 'Sheet ZAP' if you need to build up solid layers. Neither will release solvents into the plastic sheet.
Small areas of softening can be solved by drilling through them, allowing the solvent to evaporate out. It does take a while (I've got one model badly affected which is only firming up after a year!) and the holes can then be plugged with styrene rod or filler. In either case using a solvent-free medium...!
Thin superglue also has a place as this can be flowed into a joint using capillary action.
Steph
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Here are a set of 3'-7" Mansell wheels that I've turned down to 3'-4" for the proposed horsebox build. They look a little thin and I half expected that the wheels would fall apart while machining but I did think it was worth the risk especially as wheels of this size aren't commercially available. I could always put the thinness down to prototypical wear 
Jon
demu1037
Western Thunderer
no - its a 5 1/2 x 3 1/2 print, no info on it & I cant remember where/when I acquired it, whilst of similar design, it has the later springs/axleboxes & buffers
Andy
unklian
Western Thunderer
Nice pictures chaps. This is I believe the same type of Stroudley horsebox.
As per Andy's picture it has later 3'7" wheels, spring hangers, axle boxes and springs, as well as being Westinghouse fitted. It is worth noting that the window nearest the horse compartment actually was in the horse compartment. The bulkhead between groom and horses being between the window and the door to the groom's compartment. It was found however that giving the horses a view just scared them ( horses being horses ! ), so at first the windows were painted over ( Andy's picture ? ) and then later filled in completely as above. It also looks like the horse compartment doors in the later picture above have been replanked with narrower planks at some point, but with the bolts in their original positions.
So anyone else want a model of this box in Gauge 3 ?
Cheers Ian
As per Andy's picture it has later 3'7" wheels, spring hangers, axle boxes and springs, as well as being Westinghouse fitted. It is worth noting that the window nearest the horse compartment actually was in the horse compartment. The bulkhead between groom and horses being between the window and the door to the groom's compartment. It was found however that giving the horses a view just scared them ( horses being horses ! ), so at first the windows were painted over ( Andy's picture ? ) and then later filled in completely as above. It also looks like the horse compartment doors in the later picture above have been replanked with narrower planks at some point, but with the bolts in their original positions.
So anyone else want a model of this box in Gauge 3 ?
Cheers Ian
Last edited:
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Ian
I've asked the powers to move this particular thread to the G3 Forum. I'm not sure how I've ended up with two horse box threads
but I think this one the better....and to answer your question, this one. I have another drawing of the horsebox and I can send you a copy if you like.
Jon
I've asked the powers to move this particular thread to the G3 Forum. I'm not sure how I've ended up with two horse box threads
but I think this one the better....and to answer your question, this one. I have another drawing of the horsebox and I can send you a copy if you like.Jon
mth
Western Thunderer
as i don't know one box form another
This any good:-
GER 180 Four-wheel Horse box (body only) built 1869
This any good:-
GER 180 Four-wheel Horse box (body only) built 1869
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Ian,
If you are going to develop a horsebox (kit) I have a copy of the 1894 drawing of the 15'-6" LBSCR one which you are more than welcome to, just let me know. I bought it thinking that it would help me with the smaller box but it has just confused me all the more. I shall continue with the smaller 14' version and how I might scratchbuild it using the George Weddell drawing and the photos that I have as aids.
The 1894 drawing of the 15'-6" version is so detailed that one could build a full scale version that is, if one was inclined and it was a clearer print
Jon
If you are going to develop a horsebox (kit) I have a copy of the 1894 drawing of the 15'-6" LBSCR one which you are more than welcome to, just let me know. I bought it thinking that it would help me with the smaller box but it has just confused me all the more. I shall continue with the smaller 14' version and how I might scratchbuild it using the George Weddell drawing and the photos that I have as aids.
The 1894 drawing of the 15'-6" version is so detailed that one could build a full scale version that is, if one was inclined and it was a clearer print
Jon
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
P.S. Ian white informs me that the two pictures of the early horsebox will appear in the next LBSCR book of carriages.
Jon
Jon
unklian
Western Thunderer
Jon,
Thank you for the offer of the 15'6" drawing, I would like a copy of that, I think a lot of the detail will apply to both types of horsebox. But I will make the 14' version too, if I do one as that was the one that ended up on the Isle of Wight.
Brian,
I am thinking too that if I make a horsebox I will make it out of wood, maybe even MDF, I too have had bad experiences with the longevity of styrene. Not sure then how I might make more than one, in that case the running gear is less of a problem. My lack of CAD/CNC knowledge is a bit of a handicap there I fear .
Thank you for the offer of the 15'6" drawing, I would like a copy of that, I think a lot of the detail will apply to both types of horsebox. But I will make the 14' version too, if I do one as that was the one that ended up on the Isle of Wight.
Brian,
I am thinking too that if I make a horsebox I will make it out of wood, maybe even MDF, I too have had bad experiences with the longevity of styrene. Not sure then how I might make more than one, in that case the running gear is less of a problem. My lack of CAD/CNC knowledge is a bit of a handicap there I fear .
Mike W
Western Thunderer
"Not sure then how I might make more than one"
Maybe send to CMA for a one piece casting in resin. being so short it would not be too expensive. I suspect Ian is capable of casting it himself, but using CMA frees him up to do something else - like a second horsebox!
Mike
Maybe send to CMA for a one piece casting in resin. being so short it would not be too expensive. I suspect Ian is capable of casting it himself, but using CMA frees him up to do something else - like a second horsebox!
Mike
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Hello Ian
It's nice to see that these pictures are still coming out of the woodwork. Keep them coming is what I say.
Jon
It's nice to see that these pictures are still coming out of the woodwork. Keep them coming is what I say.
Jon
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Here are a set of 4' springs for my OCT, minus hangers, and a set of 4'-6" springs for the small horsebox. I've also included a detail of the drawing from which I took the shape of the 4'-6" hangers from in case anyone thought that I'd got it wrong. They are, afterall, a strange confection. The leaves are soldered with 185 degree paste and the links with low melt. I tried attaching the hangers with the low melt but this just let the links go and so, I tried Loctite 603 but this was only partially successful. This morning, I applied some very thin super glue to the area around the link/pin but haven't checked, as yet, to see if this has worked. Maybe being a bit of a coward as not sure what I can do if this hasn't worked either. I've a sneaky feeling that all may be okay once glued to the underside of the sole bar, the hangers won't be able to move about the their pin once fixed in place
(there isn't a character showing fingers crossed)I'm having awful problems in making 8 'C' shaped hangers, for the 4' springs, so that they all look the same shape and size. Back to the drawing board on that one.
I'm going to have a look at the horsebox proper latter on and most of it is clear in my head but still a little worried about the ventilation louvres. I may just scribe these onto the plasticard.
Jon