Hunslet Works in 7mm

[Osgood]

....the persistent damp in the garage is now causing problems on any unpainted timber. All the packing boards will now need rubbing down when they dry out and painting, along with the legs and the fiddle yard board and the edges of the other baseboards. They are all covered in black damp marks.

I will look at storing next winter in the club rooms which is cold but not damp.

Andy

Andy - if you can make a reasonable job of sealing up any gaps around the garage door and elsewhere, you should find one of these will make a huge difference - plenty of good prices around:

DD3 Classic MK3

The award-winning DD3 Classic MK3 dehumidifier removes up to 11L of moisture daily. It’s ideal for winter damp, mould, and energy savings

ecoair.org

If you go this route, make life easy and pipe the tank to outside to eliminate need to empty regularly.

 

[Andy Ross]

Thanks for this. I will look into it.

We are also looking at knocking garage down and investing in a proper insulated garden room.

 

[SimonT]

Andy,
Here in the Middle of Wettest Welsh Nowhere, a little background heat from an oil filled radiator works. I trialed the de-humidifier alone, de-humidifier and heat and just heat; just heat was best and cheapest. The heater runs on one dot heat input and half temperature and as a result the shed runs 4-5C above ambient. As you have seen I have no moisture problem. I do admit that the insulation does help. You might need both to dry out the wood.

Small Ads. For sale one dehumidifier, Hardly used.

 

[Osgood]

That is very useful info @SimonT - although desiccant dehumidifiers give quick results they are quite thirsty on fuel and less efficient at very low temperatures.

For a couple of applications where the heat stands a chance of hanging around I’m going to try ‘heater only’ based on your experiences - will be interesting to compare energy costs.

We use little wireless Sensor Push devices to continuously monitor humidity and it’s very useful to see what is going on.

 

[SimonT]

Tony,
the insulation will be part of the process. 4" batts in the walls with 'silver' coated vapour trap and 6" of fibre glass in the roof. Timber construction.
The Sensor Push devices are about to be investigated!

 

[simond]

Thanks for this. I will look into it.

We are also looking at knocking garage down and investing in a proper insulated garden room.

I started down that road, I got the planning permission after a fight (and an appeal) and then I got the estimates to build it….

we’re now looking at alternatives.

 

[Andy Ross]

Thanks for all the comments.

Tonight I have taken the small board in the house, I have arranged some short term storage until the weather improves.

I have moved the main board away from the garage up and over door as this seems to be the worst end in the garage and we will see what happens.

The problem is that the garage is old and there are gaps and cracks everywhere so it need to be replaced.

Otherwise I will have to store it in the winter at the model railway club rooms. They can get cold but not damp.

Andy

 

[neaston]

Thanks for all the comments.

Tonight I have taken the small board in the house, I have arranged some short term storage until the weather improves.

I have moved the main board away from the garage up and over door as this seems to be the worst end in the garage and we will see what happens.

The problem is that the garage is old and there are gaps and cracks everywhere so it need to be replaced.

Otherwise I will have to store it in the winter at the model railway club rooms. They can get cold but not damp.

Andy

Not been in recently then☔

 

[Andy Ross]

So I have given up with the garage.

The small board is now in the kitchen on the counter so I can work on the main yard building.

The main board is now in the clubrooms thanks to some help from Nick Easton. The packing boards have suffered the most but there are marks on the edges and underside of the board and on the cross braces.



I have got some spray to stop the mould and I have some anti mould paint for all the packing panels.



Hopefully this will not interfere with progress too much - There is still lots I can do at home without the board being there.

I can finish the main yard building details, I have both bridge structures to detail and paint, I have re cut the North Lights outer structures now I have sorted the glazing and re positioning the lights onto the metal structure.

The mould has been demoralising but it is recoverable and no damage to any of the finished items. On a positive note, there is no obvious permanent damage to the structure of the layout.


Andy

 

[Osgood]

Mould is everywhere in the environment, no need to panic.
It only becomes evident when conditions are right for growth.
Change those conditions or remove item from those conditions, problem solved.

I became very demoralised a few years back - result of poor storage conditions in a couple of off-site locations and moving things around.
Got some help from an expert - turned out to be a panic about nothing (whilst some moulds are potentially harmful the vast majority are not).

Once you have it all painted you can relax and move on as there'll be nothing visual to remind you!

I'm so looking forward to seeing this at some point.
What's next - Hudswell Clarke's premises?
Did you ever visit the Railway Foundry in your time at Hunslet, if so how did the buildings / working conditions compare?

Edit: Oops - just realised Hudswell Clarke closed down in 1972, when the business was taken over by Hunslet!

 

[PhilH]

These might possibly be useful for mild cases of damp or condensation:

Hillington: Car Dehumidifiers

 

[Andy Ross]

Mould is everywhere in the environment, no need to panic.
It only becomes evident when conditions are right for growth.
Change those conditions or remove item from those conditions, problem solved.

I became very demoralised a few years back - result of poor storage conditions in a couple of off-site locations and moving things around.
Got some help from an expert - turned out to be a panic about nothing (whilst some moulds are potentially harmful the vast majority are not).

Once you have it all painted you can relax and move on as there'll be nothing visual to remind you!

I'm so looking forward to seeing this at some point.
What's next - Hudswell Clarke's premises?
Did you ever visit the Railway Foundry in your time at Hunslet, if so how did the buildings / working conditions compare?

Edit: Oops - just realised Hudswell Clarke closed down in 1972, when the business was taken over by Hunslet!

When I started at Hunslet in 1979 we were the last surviving company from the area.

Our foundry had already gone although there were still hun of patterns in the old loft.

The forge was still working and and that was a dark and dingy area. in later years it was refurbished into an assembly shop.

As for the layout it is out of the damp so we should be ok.

 

[Andy Ross]

Back in January I 3d printed some fall pipes for the false boiler shop wall and roof structure.

I had an opportunity today to do a bit of painting in the garage and I planned to paint the pipes.

But before I did this, I needed to drill some holes in the structure to mount them.

I exported a drawing from the 3d cad file with the mounting peg centres and produced a simple jig to drill the holes. The jig was held in place under the gutter and located between the glazing bars.



Once drilled I tried the fall pipe in place.



The pipes were printed with a 1mm diameter hole down the length. I fitted some 0.9 wire into the pipe. This was to provide some rigidity and I also left the wire long so I could use this during painting to push into a polystyrene block.



Once painted the wire was trimmed and a small amount of fettling was needed to fit the pipes.



I have also been wondering how the roof glazing meets up with the tile section of the roof. When I studied the photos I could not see the join as there is a walkway the full length of the roof in the way. So I have made the walkway and stained it. I held it in positioned in place and as with the real version you cannot see the join between the roof glazing and tiles.



As a point I am still putting the roof glazing panels together, gluing the glazing bars in place. About half are done so far.

I have also added the details to the top of the two chimneys.



On another front I have stared work on the replacement North lights structure and lighting. I was never really happy with the original North lights as I had change the shape to create a light box. When I did the light in the boiler shop I fastened the lights directly to the structure which was a lot better.

I have 3d printed some similar mounting brackets. See one held in place in the photo below.



I have cut and mounted the light strip onto the brackets.



I have also made a jig with the correct spacing across the width so I can wire them all up of the layout. each row will be joined together with a mini plug and socket to make it easier to fit them.



This is all far more positive than the last post - all being well the mould is now under control and other than a bit of extra painting to do, I can move on.



Andy

 

[Andy Ross]

Following on from the last post, I have wired up the North Light lights on the jig I made to ensure I got the spacing across the shop correct.

There is a small plug and socket between each row to make it easier to fit the lights to the structure.



I have a spare power supply so I rigged up a temporary connection for testing.



Tonight I took the lights to the clubrooms and fitted them to the layout.



The light has a slight yellowness which is a good representation of the light we had from the sodium lights in the shop.



With the lights being so high up now they will not be visible once the roof boxes and upper side panels are fitted.



I am really pleased with the modified lighting and it is another job I can cross off the list.

I am also working on the panel units for the North Lights including the glazing. The first mock up was also tried in place tonight.



I have also recently drawn and cut a larger shelf unit and made some door panels to convert shelf units into cupboards.







The other ongoing job in the background is the printing, fettling and painting of glazing bars - there are 210 just for the North light glaring panels.


Andy

 

[simond]

Andy,

the bench & white storage unit took me back nearly fifty years, have you a plan to print out a selection of the page 3 girls of the era?! They adorned every notice board, cupboard and wall.

best
Simon

 

[Fitzroy]

As a vacation student in an engineering workshop I was given the job of replacing the pics with nice new ones which was a bit confronting, but I knuckled under with the scissors and sellotape. Then as a new graduate engineer two years later I went to work in an optical plastics factory. The production line workers were all women and the many pics on the walls were all great big steaming lumps of men in the nick. It took a bit of getting used to!!! Thankfully I didn't have to "refresh" those.

 

[Osgood]

Our old engine-driven Lincoln DC welder on the breakdown truck at the quarry had gone u/s - the field coil magnets had gone weak.
One of the guys asked what the problem was.
"The field coil magnets need exciting".
Came out after lunch - someone had propped the girlie calendar from the mess room against the welder.

 

[chigley]

i'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh again Andy

 

[Andy Ross]

i'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh again Andy

Just as a reminder. 1st outing will be Warley at Statfold Mid October. Leeds end of October. There are several shows next year including Glasgow and York.

Andy

 

[Andy Ross]

Back onto the yard board and a push to complete the dummy boiler shop wall and roof.

The wall glazing has been done for a while and over the last few weeks I have been printing and painting glazing bars for the roof. The roof has two strips of glazing which means there are 182 glazing bars. I have actually done about a 100 more as a head start for the main roof sections.

The black acrylic was cut and the glazing bars fitted.

To make it look like the glazing panels over lap slightly I needed to stand the top layer off by 0.5mm.

I cut some 0.5mm play with the laser and these were glues along the length.



The glazing panels were fixed in place using double sided adhesive sheets cut into strips on the cricut by Jill.





You will recall that I had made the maintenance walkway - this was now glued in place.



This just left how do I finish off the top of the glazing as you can see nothing on the photos.

I have come up with a capping that I think looks ok. It took several attempts. The first version came out too far down the tiles. The slots that the glazing bars sit in need redoing on the second attempt, the third was what I used.



After printing and fettling these were tried in place.



Once I was happy they fitted and looked ok, these were brush painted.

They were then glued in place and I am very please with how they came out.



The structure was slotted back into the yard building and other than a couple of access ladders and weathering this is now finished.



This will now be removed and put into storage for the time being. I am going to look at making a transport case for it.

The yard building will now be removed from the board for the last bit of finishing and painting etc.


Andy