4mm An EM Workbench: Mineral allsorts

[AJC]

There are detail differences between the LNWR and ROD vans. The Israeli Railway Museum has a GA of the ROD vans on their flickr page. I will post a link when I return from foriegn parts if anyone is intetested.

The doors, mostly? I'd be interested in the link as I know I've seen it but can't find it! It's interesting that the layout of the LNWR van (wheelbase, drop flap lower door and cupboard doors above and so on) is exactly the same as the near contemporary, but a bit more elegant, SECR vans by Lynes.

Adam

 

[Rob R]

The doors, mostly? I'd be interested in the link as I know I've seen it but can't find it! It's interesting that the layout of the LNWR van (wheelbase, drop flap lower door and cupboard doors above and so on) is exactly the same as the near contemporary, but a bit more elegant, SECR vans by Lynes.

Adam

Flying home today. If I can't find the link I'll pm you the drawing tomorrow.

 

[AJC]

Something a little slower. This Bachmann anchor mounted tank (with new ladders from that nice Mr Newitt), has been in the box for some years, carrying the ESSO livery it was supplied in with the barrel lengthened a bit to make it look a touch more like the 20 ton prototype. Never entirely convinced, it’s lurked, though complete. Having finished my Air Ministry tank I now have a proper ESSO vehicle and so this one is being converted with heating coil apparatus like the Geen tank and will also be a member of the fictional King of Exeter fleet.



To that end I’ve started on the lettering and the coils. Not remotely what I ought to be doing, but it’s ok so far.

Adam

 

[Lyndhurstman]

Lovely lettering, Adam. I appreciate the stillness and concentration required. That isn't rough at all. I don't think I'd be able to get near that quality (Mr Railtec will always be my go-to, I think )

Cheers

Jan

 

[Rob R]

A little late but a link to the drawing, posted by the curator of the Israeli Railway Museum (hope that is right) on t'other side
WD LNWR style Van (please scroll down to near the bottom of the page
and a pretty picture of an Egypt bound van
WD LNWR style van picture
Rob

 

[Jim smith-wright]

Near complete (apart from 'plates which will have to wait until I get near a laser printer; experiments with the domestic inkjet weren't up to it).

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I think the finished article is quite impressive - it's about the size of a pannier tank - and suitably colourful.

Adam

Hi Adam

Sorry to dredge this up from years ago. When you were researching this did you happen to come across any images of the trailers when they weren't hooked up to the tractors. I've got a few to do but can't find any references of what sort of landing legs they had

Cheers

Jim

 

[simond]

Not the same vehicle, but this does not appear to have legs.

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there's something nagging in the back of my mind about that.

 

[simond]

And almost totally irrelevant but curious and therefore interesting.

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An articulated milk float.

 

[AJC]

Not the same vehicle, but this does not appear to have legs.

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there's something nagging in the back of my mind about that.

The tanks didn't, as a rule (I think). Basically, the tractor and tank were a unit, except for maintenance - the fuel tanks may have been different. The normal trailers seem to have done, however and that's probably some sort of guide:

https://flic.kr/p/8CxH9Y

Adam

 

[Jim smith-wright]

Thanks

These will be for North Elmham. Tim has a picture of 2 milk tanks parked up without tractors but they are too far away (and the area I need to see is too dark) to figure out the landing legs

 

[AJC]

Thanks

These will be for North Elmham. Tim has a picture of 2 milk tanks parked up without tractors but they are too far away (and the area I need to see is too dark) to figure out the landing legs

Best guess is that - assuming that they’re not ‘normal’ fifth wheel types - would be that they were not part of the vehicle, they’re certainly not visible. @Osgood might know more?

Adam

 

[Overseer]

They could have been using the Scammell Automatic Coupling - no legs to see when the trailer is coupled to the tractor. Refer here for details - The Scammell Automatic Coupling

 

[Osgood]

The Scammell Automatic Coupling referenced above was intended for relatively lightweight applications.
The units Jim refers to above (in the 24T category) were discussed in 2020 here:

4mm - An EM Workbench: Mineral allsorts

The current state of play, showing primarily, the filling of pin holes (most really very tiny but opened up slightly to give the Milliput a chance) but also a start on detailing - you can see the mudguard stays and spare wheel here: More of the same here, but from the rear and, peaking into...

www.westernthunder.co.uk

The pic above with a box trailer could well show one of the tractors fitted with conventional 5th wheel for more flexible operation.

Certainly if a couple of tanker trailers are to be shown parked up in a yard waiting for tractor units they'd need to have conventional 5th wheels.
I've never come across any pictures of these UD trailers parked up without a unit - plenty of pictures of non-UD tankers carrying all manner of liquids but again no pics of trailers only parked up.

 

[AJC]

The Scammell Automatic Coupling referenced above was intended for relatively lightweight applications.
The units Jim refers to above were discussed in 2020 here:

4mm - An EM Workbench: Mineral allsorts

The current state of play, showing primarily, the filling of pin holes (most really very tiny but opened up slightly to give the Milliput a chance) but also a start on detailing - you can see the mudguard stays and spare wheel here: More of the same here, but from the rear and, peaking into...

www.westernthunder.co.uk

*THAT'S* the picture that was haunting my mind at 6 am - those stands look a bit ad hoc. Without seeing the picture Jim is referring to, it's hard to say (with any precision), what sort of tankers we're talking about.

Adam

 

[Osgood]

Here's a typical frameless tanker operated by the wonderfully named Crow Carrying Company (and yes, as a 4 year old my dad had me convinced that they carried crows....) - no legs and Spherub coupling:

https://flic.kr/p/nTwgQD

This box van trailer looks to have a landing leg mechanism in between the chassis rails (note the actuating shaft, American style) but it may be for occasional splitting of a Spherub coupling rather than a conventional 5th wheel (wouldn't like to call it):

https://flic.kr/p/2nsc63i

The lack of images showing landing legs on these Scammell frameless tankers suggests most were Spherub fitted?

 

[Jim smith-wright]

Sorry for the continued hijack all. Tim's sent me the image in question

 

[AJC]

Thanks Jim, definitely frameless Scammell tanks, yes.

Adam

 

[Osgood]

No legs to be seen, but no proof they are not there.
I can't find any images of these trailers fitted with legs / support of any sort other than during manufacture, but there must be something as the coupling of a loaded trailer will have a few tons on it!

 

[Eastsidepilot]

These trailers are on Scammell auto couplings, I have lightened the photo and you can just make out the wheels on the coupling legs.

 

[Osgood]

Mmm, not convinced.
I can just make out a hint of wheels on the right hand trailer Col, but they appear to be smaller diameter and set much wider than the Auto Coupling wheels - which should look like this:

Furthermore, the tractor unit chassis would show the ends of the ride-up ramps but these are not visible in any frameless tanker photos I can find.
I'm not aware of any bigger (greater capacity) autocouplers that would be suitable for the heavier trailers.
Perhaps the wheels seen are part of a home-made landing leg arrangement.
Must have been a menace positioning the tractor unit to couple up if they were Spherub couplings!