4mm An EM Workbench: Mineral allsorts

AJC

Western Thunderer
Something from the same source - but a little more protracted - is this Mermaid. One of Cambrian's most ambitious kits, once you've worked out how to assemble the chassis square, it's actually quite straightforward though it's taken a bit of thinking time. It's not remotely in the same league as something from Finney of @jjnewitt but it shares the same intent: to produce a detailed, buildable replica of the real thing. It's just in a different medium. The design of the kit is also about 30 or so years old...

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From underneath the key challenges are obvious: the tiny surface area of the joints is apparent, as is the reinforcement in each corner, at the end of spars and even the vacuum cylinder is structural!

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More gubbins added and with them, a bit more strength. This would be easier if the framing was full depth - I've had to build the height up with 40 thou' sheet to mount the vac' pipe level with the bottom of the headstocks. The reason is something to do with the size of the injection moulding machine employed when the kit was engineered in the '80s. @Colin Parks who made the moulds (and scratchbuilds some magnificent EMUs), tells me that this was at the limit of what he and his brother could do with regard to part size, complexity, and mould pressures and temperatures. In other words, like all these things, it's a trade off and a more or less scale version of these complex wagons in moulded plastic would still be tricky. Though there has been some whinging about the complexity of this and other Cambrian kits they have two things going for them. The parts go together and include pretty much all the detail of the prototype. They can be built consistently square. It's still better that the RTR equivalent (good photos available over there) in terms of detail and accuracy [RCH rather than BR type W irons, naff buffers, over think bottom flange to the solebar and so on].

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Weight is another issue, but the Mermaid has plenty of space under the floor. The white brakeshoe is my fault as I've lost one of the moulded ones and thus replaced it with a new one cut from 40 thou'.

Adam
 
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Colin Parks

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Hi Adam,

That is a valiant effort on the Mermaid!

It really was the closest I came to making 'total' underframe, with all possible parts included. With this prototype, there was little choice but to include the framing, due to the elevated body revealing the chassis in all its complexity. As for'whinging', I didn't think the kit was that easy to build either! (But then again, how could it be, given the design of the real ones.) My 30-year old example of this kit has a granite load, which helps with the ballasting issue.

All the best,

Colin
 

Simon

Flying Squad
I have to confess to having been beaten by the Cambrian Dogfish many years ago - I just couldn't get the hang of the hoppery brackety bits. Great to hear from Colin on this thread by the way. In my Dogfish defence I do have in my 4mm fleet a nice model built from an early Cambrian kit for the Lowfit formed from whitemetal castings and plastic mouldings.

You are making a very nice job of this Mermaid Adam:)

Simon
 
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AJC

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I have to confess to having been beaten by the Cambrian Dogfish many years ago - I just couldn't get the hang of the hoppery brackety bits. Great to hear from Colin on this thread by the way. In my Dogfish defence I do have in my 4mm fleet a nice model built from an early Cambrian kit for the Lowfit formed from whitemetal castings and plastic mouldings.

You are making a very nice job of this Mermaid Adam.:)

Simon

Thanks Simon (and Colin, and everyone). I reckon that the Dogfish is trickier than the Mermaid. Partly this is because the chassis also serves for the Catfish (and the hopper bases are slightly different lengths) and the result is that the surface area of pretty much all the joints is tiny and the solebars are also a smidge' too far apart meaning that the hopper tends to 'drop' a bit. Yes, this is a challenge but the kit is fairly tolerant of this, especially as experience has made me more confident about how to make these things 'robust' in a discreet fashion. In that instance, the trick is to make the hopper mount securely in the chassis and the ensure that the supports are cosmetic. In the interests of disclosure, my first Dogfish has been rebuilt twice...

I'm really grateful that these kits exist: the ambition to include all the visible detail on rolling stock is something more manufacturers could think about, especially - dare I say it - in the larger scales. 'Drawbar Syndrome' (what I call the way of treating what goes on behind the loco as a very poor second) is still alive and well throughout the hobby though it is, mercifully, getting better.

Adam
 

DougT

Western Thunderer
In my early teens I had a bit of an obsession for building the Cambrian departmental wagons of which the trials, tribulations and frustrations of fixing parts with very small surface areas had, until the last couple of days, been safely locked away at the very back of my mind!! I recall the plate bogies for the Walrus being the worst/most frustrating parts as I simply couldn't get them to stay together... That said it was these Cambrian kits that probably sparked and retained the interest in kit building, which whilst dormant for many years, has never gone away. I suspect that somewhere in S7BcSR's alladins cave of workshop or P4 stock boxes the finished and semi-finished wagons still exist!!

Keep up the good work Adam, this thread is a genuine pleasure to keep up with.
 

Colin Parks

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Sorry to hijack the thread Adam:

Well, on the subject of Cambrian Dogfish and Catfish, the moulds were made for the Dogfish but with a Catfish in mind for future introduction. I seem to remember that one stanchion had to be trimmed on each solebar to accommodate the Catfish hopper. Certainly, the best option is to secure the hopper to the underframe cross-members, leaving the hopper supports as cosmetic details.

As with the Mermaid, this was an all-plastic kit, with parts which ended up being slightly over-thick. (Mould filling at low pressure etc..) The superstructure iron work would have been better supplied as etched parts in hindsight. Despite the relatively difficult assembly of the kit, at least the hopper was/is in one piece! I still have the original wagon made from the first pulls which is now 33 years old by my reckoning. It ran on my layout up until the time I had to give up exhibitions a few years back. For my sins, I actually have ten of these wagons altogether, having obtained further kits from my brother back in 2007 I think.

I never kept a Catfish though, as they did not really feature on the Southern Region anyway. I seem to remember an outrageous piece of railway trespassing that I committed one Sunday morning at Stratford East depot, (it was along time ago your Honour) where someone in BR management had told me there would be some Catfish in the sidings. This 'visit' was just to see what exactly was going on under the hopper. (The answer to which was: not much.)



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AJC

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Sorry to hijack the thread Adam:

Colin

Not a problem Colin, I occasionally feel like I'm typing to myself: not on this one! Thank you for the insights into the r&d of these things, it's great. The Southern did have some Catfish on loan for a time in the late '60s and mine is based on one of those, based on a Dave Larkin photograph:

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So there's a mixed rake of Dogfish with a Catfish and a Herring. The Mermaid is merely because I happen to like them!

Thank you for the kind words and likes - @DougT: I built a set of those bogies and mine have nice big lumps of plastic in the internal corners. Modern versions of those same bogies are one piece mouldings: 4mm - An EM workbench - a blast from the past: Cambrian's Mermaid

Adam
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
A handful of finger-numbing tasks later - strip steps (the easy bit, even allowing for the drilling of pairs of 0.5mm holes at less than 2mm apart on thin strip) and the retaining chains which led me a merry mile or two before they were finally secured. Before that, of course, came the brake levers which are 1. an unusual shape, and 2. slightly longer than any of the etches I had to hand. The length was made up at the handle end with a bit of scrap etch. The nickel silver lever guides came from the Scalefour Society (bought via their public e-shop).

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The results of the intricate work is shown below - that's 40 link per inch chain modelled per this picture from @hrmspaul - GWR and BR Mermaid ballast wagon | DB989001 ZJV [1]

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Again, this is waiting for a bit of warmth before paint. Off to the Southampton show tomorrow so tools downed while I ponder what to do next...

Adam
 
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Kylestrome

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You've made a very nice job of the Mermaid, as with all the other wagons on this thread.

May I ask what buffers you have used?

David
 
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daifly

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Graham
Ambis Engineering do (or did) 40 links/inch chain.
Dave

ps just checked - they still do - £4.80 for 18" of blackened chain. Not an easy website to navigate. AMBIS Engineering then choose 'Downloads and details' and scroll down to 'Current product prices'
 
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Lyndhurstman

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A handful of finger-numbing tasks later - strip steps (the easy bit, even allowing for the drilling of pairs of 0.5mm holes at less than 2mm apart on thin strip) and the retaining chains which led me a merry mile or two before they were finally secured. Before that, of course, came the brake levers which are 1. an unusual shape, and 2. slightly longer than any of the etches I had to hand. The length was made up at the handle end with a bit of scrap etch. The nickel silver lever guides came from the Scalefour Society (bought via their public e-shop).

Adam

As ever, a lovely bit of work, Adam. The lever guides are Craig Welsh's, I think? They really are a nifty piece of work - once you've worked out the bending sequence (and directions!).

Cheers

Jan
 
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