Rob R
Western Thunderer
But 3 different cameras/ post processing under 3 different sets of lighting/ageing/weathering.
It could just be that it's one of those colours...
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It could just be that it's one of those colours...
Neil
Western Thunderer
Here's a nice image of a class 14 at Worcester in 1967. Even with the problems of colour photos, age and processing it's pretty obvious that there's far less contrast between the cab and bonnets than the Minerva model and that the shade of green is warmer. Counterintuitively I've also been looking at monochrome images and again the contrast between cab and bonnets is not as marked as in the Minerva model.
Edit: - Also worth looking at this Pinterest page which has a selection of pre-preservation images of teddy bears.
Edit: - Also worth looking at this Pinterest page which has a selection of pre-preservation images of teddy bears.
Heather Kay
Western Thunderer
It’s entirely subjective, I know, but the colour I expect to see is the middle of the three Dave posted earlier.
It’s the same pale green used on Class 47s, Deltics and so on. i believe it’s what other posters have referred to as Sherwood Green. Wouldn’t it be useful if someone could uncover a proper British standard specification for it.
It’s the same pale green used on Class 47s, Deltics and so on. i believe it’s what other posters have referred to as Sherwood Green. Wouldn’t it be useful if someone could uncover a proper British standard specification for it.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
It appears the last photo of the trio has been enhanced and over processed. It also depends upon which photo editing suite being used and the monitor settings it's being edited and viewed upon.
At the end of the day as long as the colour on your loco looks right to you - rule #1
. Once some road dirt has been added I doubt if anyone will really notice 
.
daifly
Western Thunderer
I've found another, better copy of the same photo and replaced the original - it still looks a different shade though!
Dave
I found this, which may be of interest to some.
Livery details according to the author are at the bottom of Page 8.
Livery details according to the author are at the bottom of Page 8.
Eastsidepilot
Western Thunderer
Robin Hood's back garden ?Thanks for that Richard. It seems like the real issue is "what is Sherwood Green?"....as it seems to vary a lot!!
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
stick at it mate, will be worth it in the end.
I did get the Anthony Sayer's book on the Class 14 (just published by Pen & Sword) and have had a look through and first impressions are that it is a good buy. I will have a deeper look into it once I have finished reading 'Avro 607' which is very compelling and also keeping me from meaningful progress on the B4!
Looking forward to seeing the photos of the finished loco - soon!
I am still waiting for a response (sent two weeks ago and counting) from the manufacturer of the motor/gearbox from the second Class 22 - and have in the meantime taken delivery of an alternative motor/gearbox so that will be going in sometime this week.
regards
Mike
I did get the Anthony Sayer's book on the Class 14 (just published by Pen & Sword) and have had a look through and first impressions are that it is a good buy. I will have a deeper look into it once I have finished reading 'Avro 607' which is very compelling and also keeping me from meaningful progress on the B4!
Looking forward to seeing the photos of the finished loco - soon!
I am still waiting for a response (sent two weeks ago and counting) from the manufacturer of the motor/gearbox from the second Class 22 - and have in the meantime taken delivery of an alternative motor/gearbox so that will be going in sometime this week.
regards
Mike
tanatvalley
Member
I also bought the Sayer book, I agree it is a good buy. The only area where it is weak is the livery section when compared to the detail in his previous books on Type 1s. Previously he has included correspondence and quotes BS numbers for the light coloured painted areas of classes 15, 16, 17. In this book we have the BS numbers for the main body colours but the cab is simply described as Sherwood green with no description of how that was arrived at.
Alan
Alan
AJC
Western Thunderer
That’s both very helpful and typical of railway publishing (something of a frustration in the day job and relatively unusual in specialist fields): no archive reference. My guess is Kew, in the National Archives, but I wouldn’t like to say where to start (but it might be at York as that’s where much of the technical documentation went), but in the context of tens of thousands of files and secretive authors that’s challenging in the extreme.
Adam
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Jordan,Railtech roundels have arrived
Of course these have instructions with them, which says in part that MicroSol & Set are not recommended!!
NOW I find out....
they should not present any problems especially as you are applying them to a flat, rivet free area.
regards
Mike
Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
No, I don't think they will. Somewhere - sure it was on WT - I read about using a dilute PVA mix to flatten curled decals. Looks to have worked for me, too.
Roundels now applied sans Micro Anything - but again, I think they're a bit too big! Anyway, cab now drying up the shed ready for matt varnish later.
Ressaldar
Western Thunderer
Hi Jordan,No, I don't think they will. Somewhere - sure it was on WT - I read about using a dilute PVA mix to flatten curled decals. Looks to have worked for me, too.
Roundels now applied sans Micro Anything - but again, I think they're a bit too big! Anyway, cab now drying up the shed ready for matt varnish later.
I think that that might have been one of my posts, I certainly use that method with their 3D transfers.
Looking forward to seeing the end results.
regards
Mike
Tim Humphreys ex Mudhen
Western Thunderer
Jordan,
I've used Fox, Railtec and Methfix with no issues so some questions. The gloss varnish coat doesn't look very shiny or smooth, how did you apply it?
Did you use a new scalpel blade to cut out the transfers, the edges look as though a blade has been used. Finally did you press down on the transfers after application with say some tissue to ensure they were totally in contact with the surface?
Here's my efforts on a BR4MT tank loco.
Tim
I've used Fox, Railtec and Methfix with no issues so some questions. The gloss varnish coat doesn't look very shiny or smooth, how did you apply it?
Did you use a new scalpel blade to cut out the transfers, the edges look as though a blade has been used. Finally did you press down on the transfers after application with say some tissue to ensure they were totally in contact with the surface?
Here's my efforts on a BR4MT tank loco.
7mm - MOK BR Standard 4MT Tank
Peter (@P A D), This post is addressed to Peter, others who have built the kit are welcome to contribute (possibly @farnetti, @Mudhen) . I am considering how to collect power from the wheels, current liking is the plunger pickup from Slaters. How have you arranged for power pick-up? Which...
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Tim
Paul Tomlinson
Western Thunderer
Jordan, Fox helpfully give the dimensions of their transfers. 9.75mm for the roundel, 3.5mm for the numerals. Just checked and they include the sans-serif style. HTH.
Jordan
Mid-Western Thunderer
Interesting. The Railtech numerals are 4mm high, and the roundel 10mm diameter.