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daifly

Western Thunderer
Would I be thought eccentric if I bought my copy at RRP in support of my local railway book emporium in Bath?

Dave
 

Simon

Flying Squad
Gee shucks, thanks for the mention.

I wouldn't begrudge any potential purchaser taking advantage of a stonkingly good offer on what will be, I think, a brilliant book. I suggested to Howard Sprenger some months ago that he contact David about his parcels stock pictures as I knew that it would be a very strong and popular subject.

I'm glad he acted upon my suggestion.

For the record, this price variation situation is the result of Amazon effectively demanding maximum discount from Littlehampton Book Supplies, acting on behalf of Ian Allan who are for the moment a trade supplier of Kestrel books on terms agreed between those two parties (Ian Allan and Kestrel). This may effectively take place through the medium of a third party book wholesaler (Bertrams and/or Gardners) who are the two main suppliers to the UK book trade.

Amazon then choose to "promote" certain books based upon whatever criteria they use and will as a result in some instances (such as this one) sell a book at a thin margin, even upon the advantageous price they have negotiated. Over time the Amazon price for the book will vary (go up and back down again etc) depending upon other criteria that they have devised.

Kestrel books would not choose to give this maximum discount to Amazon and Kestrel Books find this situation exasperating, not just because it potentially diverts sales away from "proper" booksellers but because they actually receive a less money for each book sold in this way than they would for a book sold at its retail price through any other retailer or channel.

Talking to Ian Allan at Warley on this subject in relation to their own titles (which Amazon also heavily discount), I was informed that they have no control in the matter and that Amazon are free to sell their products at whatever price they choose.

In my neck of the woods it means that I stock as little of Ian Allan's range as possible, as to do otherwise would be commercially suicidal.

Ian Allan could of course change the terms they offer the third parties involved in the Amazon supply chain, ie reduce the discount and therefore reduce the scope for the above price anomalies, but they feel unable to do this, no doubt because by now Amazon are a major seller of their (Ian Allan's ) books and they would fear a "reprisal"

My argument would be (and was to Ian Allan in my conversation) that they are supplying specialist products and that unless they take some action then their control of their business will only weaken and their reputation suffer accordingly amongst specialist markets. I personally think Amazon would list the books without the low prices anyway, whatever they threatened or said in any discussion. It's called negotiation and you need balls to play the game properly, Amazon appear to have very big ones. (Balls)

The general book trade may well be a whole different kettle of fish and to be fair to Ian Allan their involvement in the more general book trade probably makes telling Amazon to "shape up" a whole lot more difficult than it ought to be.

Interestingly, in France Amazon have very much less scope for this sort of behaviour owing to governmental influence.

So, any of you guys out there work for Astra Zenica?

Sorry, that was a bit political:oops:

Simon
 

richard carr

Western Thunderer
Amazon don't have big balls just lots of economic power, Ian Allan need big balls to deal with this and it looks to me that their balls are far too small they need to man up a bit.

Richard
 

iploffy

OC Blue Brigade
Aha but at least you pay British Taxes. Maybe you could ask Luxembourg if you could pay there and give a stonking discount as well, some how I don't think you would get away with it.
 
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Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
I wonder if David is using all new material for this one, or will it use images from his previous classic......

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Phill :)
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
At last the BBC have woken up to what the Eye have been reporting for a while and run the story about most UK purchases on Amazon being run through their Luxemburg 'office' ( a plaque and one clueless individual who occasionally answers the phone). They make the East India Company look honest!

Rant mode - OFF
 

Simon

Flying Squad
I wonder if David is using all new material for this one, or will it use images from his previous classic......

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Phill :)
I'm hoping that he will have some unused photos to put in, but either way I think the new book will have more information in it than the Bradford Barton one.

On the other hand I don't suppose that the picture quality will be any better, I was a little bit disappointed with the image sizes in the earlier Kestrel books in the series.

But that probably just goes to show how good those Bradford Barton books were, all those years ago.

"Southern Wagons In Colour" from Noodle has become the new "benchmark" wagon modelling reference book for me, I think the idea could quite happily be expanded into other companies stock.

Looking at Amazon I see that they are currently offering it at £17.50, although "The Book Depository" are offering new copies at £8.83 plus post. The "book depository" is Amazon under a different name. Noodle books are also distributed by Ian Allan/Littlehampton/Gardners.

At the other end of the scale we have Wild Swan, who for all their idiosyncrasies do not get involved in all these shenanigans.

Apologies for the booky witterings, I just had to talk to somebody about it.....

Simon
 

Phill Dyson

Western Thunderer
But that probably just goes to show how good those Bradford Barton books were, all those years ago.


Simon

Yes indeed:).......I'm slowly building up a collection of all the W.R. Diesel & South Western titles in the range:thumbs:

They are always my first port of call for modelling inspiration:cool:

Phill:)
 

AJC

Western Thunderer
I'm hoping that he will have some unused photos to put in, but either way I think the new book will have more information in it than the Bradford Barton one.

On the other hand I don't suppose that the picture quality will be any better, I was a little bit disappointed with the image sizes in the earlier Kestrel books in the series.

But that probably just goes to show how good those Bradford Barton books were, all those years ago.

Simon


Here's hoping, particularly with regard to the image sizes. I would also hope that this one gets properly proof read; the quantity of copy errors in the wagon volumes, particularly with reference to number series and some punctuation, made them somewhat frustrating. Dave Larkin is not a literary stylist by any means, but a little editorial input in that respect would not go amiss either.

OK, I do this sort of thing for a living - and in academic publishing, readability is often treated as an optional extra - so I know exactly how difficult this can be but...

Adam
 

Bob

Western Thunderer
Would I be thought eccentric if I bought my copy at RRP in support of my local railway book emporium in Bath?

Dave

I'm with Daifly on this.
Whilst I use Amazon for some CD's etc I still treasure our independant book trade.
It looks like that nice Mr Castens will be relieving me of some of my hard-earned dosh come August :'(.
Still, at least some of his profits go back into the model trade:D.

Bob
 
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