Holderness Drain North - Roundy - Roundy?

S7BcSR

Western Thunderer
Mick
Regards the size of the S7 Test Track, I will find out and get back. I should know it but I can't remember it. The one that has been built in Kent is on about 7' 6" radius and that is/was on a pure circle.

Don't forget the other big S7 roundy-roundy that is being built at the moment, Croscombe Magna - might be worth having a word with Richard Carr about the sizing. It has been designed to run 10 coach expresses behind Pacifics as well as the big diesels. The barn (!!!) that it is in is about 50+' by 25+' and there is not all that much room round the outside.

Rob
 

micknich2003

Western Thunderer
The iRS website has a good photo of the above locomotive which was sent to the newly opened quarry in 1913. It moved to the Wilmington works in 1914 but was worn out and scrapped.

Sorry to be an anorak, but I have also discovered that this Beamish resident was rescued from a chalk pit at Hessle in the 1960s!

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I'll stop now, sorry!!
The Beamish steam shovel, was to be my next post, you have beat me to it!. Mick.
 

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
The iRS website has a good photo of the above locomotive which was sent to the newly opened quarry in 1913. It moved to the Wilmington works in 1914 but was worn out and scrapped.

Sorry to be an anorak, but I have also discovered that this Beamish resident was rescued from a chalk pit at Hessle in the 1960s!

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I'll stop now, sorry!!

No need to stop at all Osgood, lovely picture of the steam shovel and any input linked to the traffic through Holderness Drain ( or near to ) is very welcome indeed :thumbs:

Mick
 

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
Mick
Regards the size of the S7 Test Track, I will find out and get back. I should know it but I can't remember it. The one that has been built in Kent is on about 7' 6" radius and that is/was on a pure circle.

Don't forget the other big S7 roundy-roundy that is being built at the moment, Croscombe Magna - might be worth having a word with Richard Carr about the sizing. It has been designed to run 10 coach expresses behind Pacifics as well as the big diesels. The barn (!!!) that it is in is about 50+' by 25+' and there is not all that much room round the outside.

Rob

The size of the test track would be great thanks Rob and I will definately speak with Richard through PM and pick his brains. As you say the size is going to depend on the radius of the inside loop. I have certainly seen video footage of a Super D on Croscombe and this is the kind of wheel base I want to run. So I'm hoping Richard can point me in the right direction.

ATB Mick
 

micknich2003

Western Thunderer
HOLDERNESS DRAIN NORTH Signals .jpg

Here's the 1920 M&H signal sketch, not detail drawings but enough for the signal fitters to build up the signals from standard components. Mick will be able to do exactly the same from the various etchings and castings available from the model trade.
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
Crosscombe is.... Errrrrr.... BIG!!

It must be twice the width and length of Heyside.. (not trying one-upmanship, more using a well known layout as a guide).

JB.

Edit... I recall that the inner radius on the ends is 11ft? Richard or John Birch would be able to confirm this..
 

7mmMick

Western Thunderer
If you enjoy building locomotives, here's a great use for one of the sidings!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALEXANDRA...ollectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item2ecf203f29

Absolutely, I have a few pictures of Alex Dock and I love seeing the shunters lined up. I have a J71, J72 and a J73 on the bench so Alex dock locos should be well represented. I also have plans in the back of my mind for a couple of J77's. As said before this is a long term project !

Hi JB,

I've had a good chat with Richard and Croscombe sounds massive. He's kindly invited me to have a look at some point which should help me put things in perspective? In my minds eye I was thinking Heyside but a bit wider to accommodate S7 curves ? This may be a totally navive out look but I know nowt at the moment and time will see how I go
on,

ATB Mick
 

Suddaby

Western Thunderer
Hi Mick,

Unfortunately, my memories are those of an 8 to 11 year old, and I had no idea at the time what I was looking at. So I must have seen loads of WD's for example, but didn't know them as such - just dirty black engines. Similarly with DMU's, they were all green turning to blue when I travelled on them, but whether they were Met Cam's or Cravens, I can't recall. I've only worked out that the legendary "Green" engine was probably a Jubilee from talking to the likes of Mick Nich, though that fits in with my rather vague memory of what I saw.
We saw a lot of freight going onto/coming off the docks, interspersed with DMU's on the Withernsea branch. One thing I do remember of that area, were the piles of wood all the way from the footbridge, back to Southcoates Lane bridge. The area between the docks line and the Withernsea branch was full of neat piles of it. I guess these were pit props (?). I can also remember looking off Southcoates Lane bridge back towards the city (i.e. looking West), seeing lots of wagons loaded with said wood.
Moving onto Marfleet, I used to sit on the concrete up and over steps at the West end of the platform near the signal box. This was down a short path from the truncated remains of the level crossing road, which had been replaced by a bridge - pre war I think(?). (I have a great photo of an A5 - 69837 stopped at Marfleet on a passenger, showing 3 small boys (one of whom is a dead ringer for the younger me!) on said steps - unfortunately it must have been taken prior to Dec 1958, when the loco was withdrawn, long before I went near the place!) I do remember occassionally seeing the pick up goods at Marfleet - seem to think the loco was something small like an Ivatt 2-6-0 possibly.
Stopped going by 1965 as the Withernsea branch had closed, and as I ended up at what Mick Nich calls the posh school round the corner from Botanic, there was much more to see over there.
Will follow this thread with great interest as the contributions of others fills in many gaps in my knowledge, and look forward to meeting you somewhere. (I won't be at York as I was at Rochdale's show last weekend.) As Mick Nich would tell you, I am always interested to hear and learn as much about Hull's railways, even though I left there in 1977, and have now lived down here in Derbyshire much longer than I did in Hull.

All the best,

Kevin
 

micknich2003

Western Thunderer
Dear Kevin, here is a B1 shunting Marfleet early to Mid '60's. This would obviously have run past "Mick's Layout" so appropriate to put it on here. I have more. By the way, Marfleet level crossing became a bridge c1936, part of the planned "Ring Road" scheme, that even today, is not completed. Best Wishes, Mick.MARFLEET Shunt.jpg
 
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