Oakville 7mm Ivatt class 2 tank

P A D

Western Thunderer
When I'd completed the Scorpio BR Standard 3 tank and Gladiator Stanier Mogul, I wasn't expecting to be building any more loco kits for a while. However, David Hill at Gladiator peaked my interest with the offer to do the test build on the Stanier class 3 tank and then by chance I came across this un started Oakeville kit for the Ivatt class 2 tank on Ebay.

This was the first 7mm scale brass kit that I built about 40 years ago for my brother, who had just got into 0 gauge. Although it was relatively cheap back then, it was not the best of kits with many faults and most of the important castings being unusable. That said, with the dodgy white metal castings being replaced by brass items from Shedmaster, it turned out not too shabby in the end.
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Having achieved a decent result with little or no experience, I have in recent times wondered what sort of a fist I could make of it now. Certainly I will find easier to build and less daunting, but will it be any better? Let's see.

The first obstacle to be overcome is the miss matched main frames. It was like this front and rear.
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And the cut outs for the brake hangers didn't match either along with the top edge of one frame being higher than the other !
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The crank pin holes in the coupling rods are way too large for Slaters' top hat bushes, so I've replaced them with milled rods from Premier Components. When I set them up in the jig I found the rods didn't match the axle holes in the frames. Using the centre axle hole as the datum, I adjusted the outer holes to match the rods.

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And then assembled the frames. I've left the second from front spacer off for now as I'll need to modify the cylinder fitting to make them detachable with the valve gear. I did the same with the first one as even back then I knew that soldering the cylinders to the frames was not a good idea.
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As usual for me, the middle axle will "float" so the bearings have not been soldered in place.
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Moving on to the body while I'm waiting for the wheels to arrive, I punched out the rivets and made the folds at the bottom of the tanks.
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And added some of the tank top detail.
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I assemble the lockers to the cab rear bulkhead, but then wondered how the hand brake could work on the real thing if placed under the locker on the fireman's side. The vent holes at the top were also missing so using the cab front plate as a guide I drilled them out. They are a little large but they matched the front ones.
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The design of the rear cab suggests there was access into the bunker via the doors above the coal hole. I didn't know if this was the case for the Ivatt (it may be on the BR standard 2 which can also be built from this kit), but Dave Holt very kindly shared and image of the works drawing which pointed me in the right direction. Many thanks to Dave for that
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Only the part up to the shelf is from the kit and all the rest is scratch built.
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I filled in the opening with a piece cut from waste fret.
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After further work I've got to here. The steps on the tank front are scratched as the kit parts were too narrow.
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As is the cover for the brake pipe on the rear.
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It's not perfect, but with a little filling here and there it should pass muster.

Cheers,
Peter
 

Brian McKenzie

Western Thunderer
Quite impressive how you have handled all this, Peter.

Drilling the vent holes in the cab rear wall must have been tricky as the 'thinness' of the front panel wouldn't have provided much initial 'guideness' for the drill ?

-Brian McK.
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Quite impressive how you have handled all this, Peter.

Drilling the vent holes in the cab rear wall must have been tricky as the 'thinness' of the front panel wouldn't have provided much initial 'guideness' for the drill ?

-Brian McK.
I suspect they may have been part of the original etchings. However my cheat with scratch building is to get the regularity, consistency and spacing is to use a rivet embossing tool.

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and then use them as the centre punch marks for drilling out.

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P A D

Western Thunderer
Quite impressive how you have handled all this, Peter.

Drilling the vent holes in the cab rear wall must have been tricky as the 'thinness' of the front panel wouldn't have provided much initial 'guideness' for the drill ?

-Brian McK.
Thanks Brian. I just clamped the parts together and drilled through. By rights I aught to have made new parts so the holes could have been made smaller, but there's a limit to the how much scratch building I'm prepared to do. As it was I had to fill the holes above and below the lookouts that were for guard irons which neither the Ivatt or BR version had!

Getting the hole regularity, consistency and spacing was not something that filled me with confidence, but if I'd known about Adrian's method it would have been more feasible.

Cheers,
Peter
 

Brian McKenzie

Western Thunderer
. . . my cheat with scratch building is to get the regularity, consistency and spacing is to use a rivet embossing tool.

and then use them as the centre punch marks for drilling out.

That's a good wheeze, Adrian. I have done similarly - for hand grabs and hand rails.

Not sure if this short 33 second video has been seen here. YouTube
The rivet punch is enclosed in UHMWPE plastic - which with a modicum of elasticity keeps the sheet metal flat, preventing distortion as the rivet head is pressed.
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
The pony trucks have been assembled and modified with parts from Ragstone. I also added a representation of the swing links to the front one, although there are images showing the non swing link on the front, both in service and in preservation, so they must have been interchangeable.
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I've now got a rolling chassis with the Premier Components' rods replacing the etched ones. The body is well advanced albeit the boiler, firebox and roof are just placed for the photos.
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The smokebox door was too big so I've removed it on the lathe and will replace it but keep the front ring.
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The boiler and firebox took a lot of fettling to get them to sit at the correct height, but I knew that would be the case when I bought it.
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I wonder how many more of these kits are still sitting in the box?

Cheers,
Peter
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
Your doing a super job Peter. As it happens I also have an Oakville Ivatt 2. It was an early purchase way before 2005, well before I started building and was built by Andy Beaton of Ragstone.
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Originally the model was 41295 but this loco had a BR Standard cab so renumbered as shown with the LMS cab as built. A superb runner as is to be expected from Ragstone.
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Thanks Roger.
The Oakville kits are difficult to build but they can be made into very nice models, as yours is. I see you have the Ivatt 2-6-0 in the background, also from Oakville?

Just got home from the boat club and a bag of goodies from Laurie Griffin have been delivered.
Cheers,
Peter
 

Scanlon

Western Thunderer
Hi Peter,
Good to hear from you and success with the build.

The Ivatt 2 tender loco is 46492 which is a DJH product. Like the tank version I did not build it.
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The Laurie Griffin parts for the Ivatts are excellent and will greatly enhance your build.
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Thanks Roger.

The Ivatt 2 6 0 looks very nice as well. I built one for my brother many moons ago and it was a nice kit to build. I recall there was an issue with the width over cylinders being too wide but not difficult to correct.

I note that the plate between the front frames on your 2-6-2 is set too high. Compare it with the 2-6-0 and you'll see what I mean. I made the same mistake on the first one so that's something else to correct this time around.

Yes the LGM parts will much improve the final result. Although the Oakville top feed is not too bad, the chimney and dome are awful and I've replaced all three. The steame lance cock is also from LGM. The boiler is still loose as I'm waiting for some 0.3mm copper wire for the tank front oil pots. I ran out after fitting the one on the other side and it's much easier to fit them with the boiler off.
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The driving wheel springs although reasonable castings, are completely wrong for the Ivatt so will go in the spares box.
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Here's the chassis after fitting the LGM castings.
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Cheers,
Peter
 

paulc

Western Thunderer
When I'd completed the Scorpio BR Standard 3 tank and Gladiator Stanier Mogul, I wasn't expecting to be building any more loco kits for a while. However, David Hill at Gladiator peaked my interest with the offer to do the test build on the Stanier class 3 tank and then by chance I came across this un started Oakeville kit for the Ivatt class 2 tank on Ebay.

This was the first 7mm scale brass kit that I built about 40 years ago for my brother, who had just got into 0 gauge. Although it was relatively cheap back then, it was not the best of kits with many faults and most of the important castings being unusable. That said, with the dodgy white metal castings being replaced by brass items from Shedmaster, it turned out not too shabby in the end.
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Having achieved a decent result with little or no experience, I have in recent times wondered what sort of a fist I could make of it now. Certainly I will find easier to build and less daunting, but will it be any better? Let's see.

The first obstacle to be overcome is the miss matched main frames. It was like this front and rear.
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And the cut outs for the brake hangers didn't match either along with the top edge of one frame being higher than the other !
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The crank pin holes in the coupling rods are way too large for Slaters' top hat bushes, so I've replaced them with milled rods from Premier Components. When I set them up in the jig I found the rods didn't match the axle holes in the frames. Using the centre axle hole as the datum, I adjusted the outer holes to match the rods.

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And then assembled the frames. I've left the second from front spacer off for now as I'll need to modify the cylinder fitting to make them detachable with the valve gear. I did the same with the first one as even back then I knew that soldering the cylinders to the frames was not a good idea.
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As usual for me, the middle axle will "float" so the bearings have not been soldered in place.
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Moving on to the body while I'm waiting for the wheels to arrive, I punched out the rivets and made the folds at the bottom of the tanks.
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And added some of the tank top detail.
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I assemble the lockers to the cab rear bulkhead, but then wondered how the hand brake could work on the real thing if placed under the locker on the fireman's side. The vent holes at the top were also missing so using the cab front plate as a guide I drilled them out. They are a little large but they matched the front ones.
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The design of the rear cab suggests there was access into the bunker via the doors above the coal hole. I didn't know if this was the case for the Ivatt (it may be on the BR standard 2 which can also be built from this kit), but Dave Holt very kindly shared and image of the works drawing which pointed me in the right direction. Many thanks to Dave for that
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Only the part up to the shelf is from the kit and all the rest is scratch built.
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I filled in the opening with a piece cut from waste fret.
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After further work I've got to here. The steps on the tank front are scratched as the kit parts were too narrow.
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As is the cover for the brake pipe on the rear.
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It's not perfect, but with a little filling here and there it should pass muster.

Cheers,
Peter
Hi Peter , when you say that you 'adjusted' the outer holes for the rod bearings in the frames can you expand on what you actually did . Ie did you solder in a piece of brass sheet and then redrill the holes or some other method .
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Tony,
I've also spent more money on LGM castings than I paid for the kit! As well as the replaced parts shown in the last post, I've got a bag of useless lumps of white metal to chuck in the bin. Poorly cast detail parts are one thing, but white metal for the slide bars, cross heads and valve guides is ridiculous.

Wow, your 2MT is superb! Yes I recall reading that the cab doors were too narrow, but were the cylinders also set too far apart as on the tender version? I always fancied the DJH model long after it came out, but by then I thought the price was way too high.

Paul, I'm off to sail my RC yatch now , but will explain what I did to correct the miss match axle holes later.

Cheers,
Peter
 

P A D

Western Thunderer
Do the servos only control the yacht's mainsheet, jib and rudder for tacking and gybing (jibing)?

Hi Dave,
I have two racing yatchs, an IOM which 1 meter long and a Dragonflite 95 which is 95 cm. Both are recognised competition boats but whereas the 1 meter boats can vary in hull design, sails and weight within strict parameters, the 95s are all exactly the same and weigh 2 kg vs 4kg for the IOM. They both have a servo for the rudder and a winch which operates the mainsail and jib simultaneously.

Hi Peter , when you say that you 'adjusted' the outer holes for the rod bearings in the frames can you expand on what you actually did . Ie did you solder in a piece of brass sheet and then redrill the holes or some other method .

Hi Paul,
I found the kit has the following errors which would prevent a running chassis.

1. The holes in the etched rods at 3.4mm are way too large for Slaters' bushes which are 2.56mm. Maybe if I had larger bushes the rods would be found to match the chassis hole spacing and could be used. However:

2. When the frames were overlaid using an axle bush through the center holes, I found that the holes for the front and rear axles did not line up horizontally.

I knew about these issues when I bought the kit and that Premier Components sold a milled set. These are spot on for the 6ft 9in and 7ft spacing of the real thing.

This shows the discrepancy between the holes in the rods and Slaters' bushes. Totally unusable.
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To get the chassis and PC rods to match, I first set up the axle spacing on the Avonside jig using one of the assembed rods. I then slid the axle bushes onto the jig axles and then located one of the frames onto the centre bush, having previously reamed the frame holes to fit the bushes. It was clear that although the outer holes were in line horizontally, the were spaced incorrectly from the center. This is a later image after the frames had been corrected,
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I think the rear holes were spaced too far and the front holes too near the centre. It was just a matter of filling the inside or outside of the òffending holes to allow the axle bushes to be located to match the rods. The discrepancy was slightly different from frame to frame. The drawing exaggerates the error, but the bushes needed moving horizontally about 1mm so quite significant.
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After fitting the wheels and rods a little reaming of the holes in the rods was needed to get a smooth rolling chassis. I have since elongated the centre holes to give some up and down "float" and all is still well.

Cheers,
Peter
 
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