Hmmmmm…….
There seems to be a lot of messing about to get that roof right.
I think the manufacturer needs to go back to the drawing board with this one.
jonte
good comeback. went to the K.E.S.R yesterday tried to get a picture of the pannier being restored but it was away having work done, a good day out though, running 2 hunslets on duty.
Ken
The issue is (from my limited exposure) that consumers expect cottage industry kits/extas/addons to fit like Tamiya, Hasegawa, Airfix etc.This is the second one of these kits that I've built. I didn't pay enough attention to the roof on the first only and the joints still annoy me. So this one has had a lot more filling and smoothing work done.
I don't believe it's possible to laser cut the roof in one piece and can see why Phil has gone for the approach he has. In my mind the roof would suit a single resin casting or a 3d print better, but that takes you into the territory of a mixed media kit.
My personal observation is that 7mm is far more loco/stock centric than say 4mm or 2mm, and that buildings and scenics are often far down the interest scale. As such I suspect the current kit suits the vast majority of 7mm modellers interest level and there's probably not much value in amending it.
I'm weird in that I want to apply consistent standards and attention to detail across the board. The roof does bother me and I'm addressing it on my model. Even with this extra work, it's still significantly quicker than scratchbuilding, and the kit builds into a sturdy model.
I've not really had much experience of laser cut kits before and the conclusion I'm coming to is that they can be a great shortcut to getting you a good 80-90% of the way to the finished model. Just like any kit you are free to add detail, amend or replace parts to suit. I don't see this as an issue, but then again I usually scratchbuild buildings.
As an extra aside, we (the 7mm community from my observations) really need to get over this hurdle/mental blockage.but that takes you into the territory of a mixed media kit.
The issue is (from my limited exposure) that consumers expect cottage industry kits/extas/addons to fit like Tamiya, Hasegawa, Airfix etc.
I get the same with 3D bits I produce, you mean I have to clean the support marks off?!
Yet the very same people will spend hours cleaning flash off white metal and brass castings and decusping etches....go figure.
What ever the medium, some post processing is to be expected, the only difference is how much, the better the product the less post processing is required, generally.
Regarding this project, I'd concur with the build process on the laminated roof, any other way would require the three sections of roof having to be blended at the two joins (again post processing). Personally (if I wanted to keep to a similar material) I'd have explored a cardboard overlay and blended the edges, but knowing my penchant for 3D I would almost certainly have 3D printed the roof and chimney and moved on with life.
Intentio could 3D print the roof but given it's size and shape would be difficult to print without some sort of warping, smart orientation would limit that (to almost nil with luck) but would push up the print time drastically and thus throughput/cost/expense. Given your observation on 7mm centric (which I agree with) that'd place the price outside of the 'I'm comfortable' buy bracket.
Agree again. Every material is more suitable than others in certain circumstances. Mixed media kits playing to each materials strengths is the way to go. However, mixed media = multiple processes = increased costs for a manufacturer.As an extra aside, we (the 7mm community from my observations) really need to get over this hurdle/mental blockage.
I think that’s probably a bit unfair. It really isn’t much effort to get the roof looking good and filling really isn’t required to make it decent. Chris will always push the envelope and he has here gone the extra for a perfect finish and especially as I didn’t give him enough parts!Hmmmmm…….
There seems to be a lot of messing about to get that roof right.
I think the manufacturer needs to go back to the drawing board with this one.
jonte
Jonte, consider what you say, especially as the manufacturer is a WT member.Hmmmmm…….
There seems to be a lot of messing about to get that roof right.
I think the manufacturer needs to go back to the drawing board with this one.
jonte
I think that’s probably a bit unfair. It really isn’t much effort to get the roof looking good and filling really isn’t required to make it decent. Chris will always push the envelope and he has here gone the extra for a perfect finish and especially as I didn’t give him enough parts!
Jonte, consider what you say, especially as the manufacturer is a WT member.
Just saying
I have an idea….
The intentio kit the same price as the recently released Dapol Kitmaster card kit. I note that even in the adverts the Dapol kit has poor joints on the roof and is less detailed.I should have hoped it would have been received as constructive criticism, but perceptions are thus.
I suppose it all depends on the cost aspect. Pocket money kits, well, one can’t complain if a little extra effort/materials are required, however - and respectfully- Intentio products ain’t cheap, and so need to go together with ease, all parts being provided.
Just my take, for what it’s worth.
jonte
Probably jumping the gun with ill deserved confidence in my ability…Is it a cunning plan?
I think that’s probably a bit unfair. It really isn’t much effort to get the roof looking good and filling really isn’t required to make it decent. Chris will always push the envelope and he has here gone the extra for a perfect finish and especially as I didn’t give him enough parts!
The intentio kit the same price as the recently released Dapol Kitmaster card kit. I note that even in the adverts the Dapol kit has poor joints on the roof and is less detailed.
The intentio kit while not perfect but is assembled as intended and just painted. No filling but a light go over with wet and dry sandpaper.
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I do have an idea to try out but I think it will just be moving the problem around rather than curing the need to do some modelling.
No worries.sorry Chris , just carried on from my comment on your build