Edge Lane Junction

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Thanks chaps very much appreciated :thumbs: To be honest I started rubbing wet Das clay into the nooks and crannies last night and thus morning it looked rather good so I decided to rub it all over the road surface and it’s turned out looking quite good, so I might give it another rub over tomorrow then seal it before weathering. Once the road and the pavement are weathered I can fit the streetlights and the odd grid etc.

Paul
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Apologies for not noting your recent work, Paul, as I’ve not visited WT for a couple of weeks or so, however, I have continued to enjoy your vids on line. :thumbs:

Top stuff, Paul!

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Incidentally, Paul, with reference to your early morning jaunt on the video, I’m guessing that’s the new Merseyrail stock?

As they didn’t - until recently- frequent the Southport line, my wife and I deceived to use our passes to take our granddaughter to Ormskirk hoping to enjoy a ride in the new stock. Unfortunately, we weren’t so lucky and ended up on the old stuff: both ways :(

Anyway, it was along time since either of us have travelled the line and I’d forgotten what an enjoyable experience it was (even on the knackered old stock that jarred my back at every dip in the line to say nothing of the angling and clattering which I guess must have been the bogies striking the under carriage :eek:).

Jon
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Apologies for not noting your recent work, Paul, as I’ve not visited WT for a couple of weeks or so, however, I have continued to enjoy your vids on line. :thumbs:

Top stuff, Paul!

Jon
No worries Jon I haven’t done much recently anyway to be honest, hopefully more soon though.

Paul
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Incidentally, Paul, with reference to your early morning jaunt on the video, I’m guessing that’s the new Merseyrail stock?

As they didn’t - until recently- frequent the Southport line, my wife and I deceived to use our passes to take our granddaughter to Ormskirk hoping to enjoy a ride in the new stock. Unfortunately, we weren’t so lucky and ended up on the old stuff: both ways :(

Anyway, it was along time since either of us have travelled the line and I’d forgotten what an enjoyable experience it was (even on the knackered old stock that jarred my back at every dip in the line to say nothing of the angling and clattering which I guess must have been the bogies striking the under carriage :eek:).

Jon

Morning Jon, had the er pleasure of a 777 this morning, they’re fast and quiet but also the first step in doing away with the guards :(

The new units are currently on the Liverpool to Ormskirk line, here’s a photo of the old and new at Maghull this morning.
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Paul
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Morning Jon, had the er pleasure of a 777 this morning, they’re fast and quiet but also the first step in doing away with the guards :(

The new units are currently on the Liverpool to Ormskirk line, here’s a photo of the old and new at Maghull this morning.
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Paul

Very smart, Paul.

I’ve seen them in passing on the Southport line whilst waiting on the platform during driver training, but to date, await the pleasure of a ride in their seemingly comfortable surroundings.

As with everything, it seems there’s a down side with the proposed abandonment of the duty guard, an unwise move in my humble estimation. At what cost safety? :(

Jon

P.S.

I think I’m right in saying that the footbridge to the left of the photo of the old stock, is adjacent to the level crossing on Station Road, and that if one was to walk to the end of the platform and turn left onto Station Road, you would very shortly reach the former home of one Frank Hornby, he of Hornby trains and Mecanno. Jon.
 

Roger Pound

Western Thunderer
Morning Jon, had the er pleasure of a 777 this morning, they’re fast and quiet but also the first step in doing away with the guards :(

The new units are currently on the Liverpool to Ormskirk line, here’s a photo of the old and new at Maghull this morning.
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Paul
Just been catching up on your thread, Paul - the bridge scenes are looking excellent. I do like the LCT buses - reminds me of my visits to the city in the eighties and nineties. It was during that time I rode the third-rail lines to West Kirby, New Brighton and Southport and I would imagine the stock was at best the earlier type in your pictures. A great experience at that time for me, though :thumbs:. I remember drawing up a layout plan based on the track layout at West Kirby which the then editor of the Railway Modeller was kind enough to publish. Can't remember what I called it or the dates, sorry.

Having said that, however, do I detect from the "er" in your post that the 777's are not without fault in some respect in addition to the ridiculous move regarding the removal of Guards.

Is there, perhaps, some minor riding issue or other fault? Just a thought.........;)!

Roger
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Very smart, Paul.

I’ve seen them in passing on the Southport line whilst waiting on the platform during driver training, but to date, await the pleasure of a ride in their seemingly comfortable surroundings.

As with everything, it seems there’s a down side with the proposed abandonment of the duty guard, an unwise move in my humble estimation. At what cost safety? :(

Jon

P.S.

I think I’m right in saying that the footbridge to the left of the photo of the old stock, is adjacent to the level crossing on Station Road, and that if one was to walk to the end of the platform and turn left onto Station Road, you would very shortly reach the former home of one Frank Hornby, he of Hornby trains and Mecanno. Jon.
Well I never knew that Jon wow, any idea how far down his house was? I’m always walking around there so I’ll take a look.

Thanks for the great info, do you live on the Southport line Jon?

Paul
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Just been catching up on your thread, Paul - the bridge scenes are looking excellent. I do like the LCT buses - reminds me of my visits to the city in the eighties and nineties. It was during that time I rode the third-rail lines to West Kirby, New Brighton and Southport and I would imagine the stock was at best the earlier type in your pictures. A great experience at that time for me, though :thumbs:. I remember drawing up a layout plan based on the track layout at West Kirby which the then editor of the Railway Modeller was kind enough to publish. Can't remember what I called it or the dates, sorry.

Having said that, however, do I detect from the "er" in your post that the 777's are not without fault in some respect in addition to the ridiculous move regarding the removal of Guards.

Is there, perhaps, some minor riding issue or other fault? Just a thought.........;)!

Roger
Thanks for the kind words Roger, there’s a chap called Rod who’s built West Kirby in O gauge it’s s cracking layout.

The new 777 are quick off the mark and quite spacious but for me it’s very tram like with its articulated bogies etc and as well as a move in the wrong direction removing the guards it’s a big step in making Merseyrail a light railway unfortunately :(

I might be slightly biased with my thoughts towards guards, conductors, train managers what ever you wish to call them but as I’m one myself I know the dangers of not having us onboard a train.

There were various issues on Saturday evening were a person got arrested, other passengers had no idea what to do with cancellations, someone was on the wrong train…

With myself on that train what would happen, passengers would be on their own abd in some cases put in danger.

Thanks again

Paul
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Well I never knew that Jon wow, any idea how far down his house was? I’m always walking around there so I’ll take a look.

Thanks for the great info, do you live on the Southport line Jon?

Paul

If my memory serves me right, Paul, travel along Station Road, past The Mogul heading out towards Melling (?), over the level crossing and then it’s several doors up on the right hand side. I think I’m right in saying there’s even a blue plaque on the front of the building, if not, it must be time for my meds :confused:

Several years ago, I met up with an old colleague who lived up on the Lake District estate - which I’m guessing isn’t too far from yourself, Paul - and we enjoyed a light meal and a couple of pints in the Everest on Eastway. Whilst catching up, I couldn’t help noticing a selection of OO gauge locos, toy cars and perhaps the odd item of Mecanno on display in several glass cabinets strategically placed around the lounge. On pointing them out, he explained that the pub theme was Frank Hornby due to his prominence as a local resident. I was quite surprised to be honest as it had a name as a real lads’ pub at the time, but even more surprised that he knew anything about it, being a real character himself :eek:

Anyway, apologies for boring you with all that; perhaps a quick check with the search engine might prove or disprove my ramblings ;)

Yes, Paul, I’m not too far from the Southport line, although it’s more of a short journey by car to get to Crosby and Blundellsands, or more usually, Hall Road (just through the lanes), as I’m in Thornton - the poor end ;) just before Ince Woods.

At the risk of boring you once more, I was only mentioning to my wife (okay, moaning!) that the station might have been a little nearer if Lord Blundell hadn’t objected - like many of his ilk at the time - to the Waterloo and Southport line (as it was before it was extended to Liverpool) being directed into Little Crosby village, which you might know, backs onto his estate. He couldn’t have been that set against it though as he had his own halt built at the end of Dibbs Lane which later became Hall Road station. Amazing…….

Jon
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
If my memory serves me right, Paul, travel along Station Road, past The Mogul heading out towards Melling (?), over the level crossing and then it’s several doors up on the right hand side. I think I’m right in saying there’s even a blue plaque on the front of the building, if not, it must be time for my meds :confused:

Several years ago, I met up with an old colleague who lived up on the Lake District estate - which I’m guessing isn’t too far from yourself, Paul - and we enjoyed a light meal and a couple of pints in the Everest on Eastway. Whilst catching up, I couldn’t help noticing a selection of OO gauge locos, toy cars and perhaps the odd item of Mecanno on display in several glass cabinets strategically placed around the lounge. On pointing them out, he explained that the pub theme was Frank Hornby due to his prominence as a local resident. I was quite surprised to be honest as it had a name as a real lads’ pub at the time, but even more surprised that he knew anything about it, being a real character himself :eek:

Anyway, apologies for boring you with all that; perhaps a quick check with the search engine might prove or disprove my ramblings ;)

Yes, Paul, I’m not too far from the Southport line, although it’s more of a short journey by car to get to Crosby and Blundellsands, or more usually, Hall Road (just through the lanes), as I’m in Thornton - the poor end ;) just before Ince Woods.

At the risk of boring you once more, I was only mentioning to my wife (okay, moaning!) that the station might have been a little nearer if Lord Blundell hadn’t objected - like many of his ilk at the time - to the Waterloo and Southport line (as it was before it was extended to Liverpool) being directed into Little Crosby village, which you might know, backs onto his estate. He couldn’t have been that set against it though as he had his own halt built at the end of Dibbs Lane which later became Hall Road station. Amazing…….

Jon
The Everest! I’ve only ever been since it’s a Wetherspoons but it still has the old Hornby and Meccanno on display. There’s some lovely houses on the lakes estate I’m on the new build by Maghull North though. I’m off for a few days now so I’ll try and find the house and take a pic ;)

Thornton I know it well, and the bit by Ince wood’s definitely isn’t the poor end haha!! You’ll be saying it’s little Crosby next :))

Don’t worry none of this is boring I love the old Liverpool railway history though and walking down the Transpennine trail through the sites of the old Lydiate stations etc is really interesting. The coastal road through Ainsdale used to be there track bed!

Are you in any of the model railway clubs Jon? We’ll have to try and catch up at some point as we’re not far from each other at all.

Paul
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Hi Paul.

Glad to hear that the Everest in its latest guise as a Wetherspoon’s has retained its links with the past in the form of the Hornby memorabilia :thumbs:

It’s a while since I passed that way, but the new build already looked quite substantial, and indeed must have been to warrant the construction of a new station, Maghull North. From memory, I think most, if not all of the land was part of the former hospital site of Park Lane to which had been allocated quite some acreage, as not all the former patients were of a high security risk. I believe - yet another piece of trivia for you, Paul :rolleyes: - that they used to do an ‘escaper alert’ practice each Monday morning by the sounding of a wailing siren which local residents became quite used to, and there must be an element of truth in this as I’d heard it from more than one source:eek:

With reference to Frank’s former residence, I do hope I haven’t put you onto a bum steer here Paul, but if it somehow transpires that it wasn’t all purely a figment of my over-active imagination, then do share your captured images with us all here (I doubt many of us would even be involved in the hobby of it hadn’t been for Mr. Hornby; doubt I would anyway as my interest in the real thing was only sparked by his models :)).

My paternal grandfather whom I never knew, was employed by Lord Blundell, and is I believe buried in the charming little grave yard in Ince Blundell, but that’s the nearest link to Little Crosby I can claim, my birth certificate recording my birthplace as Crosby (Greater).

I too, Paul, have enjoyed traversing the rural idyll that was once the route of the former Cheshire Lines Committee, entering it beside the road bridge that carries the single carriageway road between Sefton and Maghull, at the point which was once the location of Maghull and Sefton station. We cycled north along the route, out through Lydiate and Altcar, before eventually leaving it just before the village of Halsall, where we continued onto the tow path of the Leeds and Liverpool canal, stopping for lunch and light refreshments at the delightful Saracen’s Head, which you’ll no doubt have visited at some stage, Paul. From there we rode out through the lanes of Halsall and eventually onto Lord Street, Southport - the terminus of the line I’ve just described - where we stopped for coffee. Then it was onto the Coast Road - the track bed of the former Cheshire Lines to Lord Street line you mentioned - before dropping down into the woodland trail adjacent to the Liverpool - Southport line, which led us into Formby via Freshfield, and eventually to the Hightown Hotel adjacent to the station - where my Dad grew up - and from where we were all picked up, far too unfit to carry on by bike after imbibing, and not to mention a bit knackered ;)

After making mention in my last about the former Waterloo and Southport line that was eventually extended to Liverpool, I recalled seeing a display of the line’s terminus at Waterloo shortly after it was built, in a glass case, on display in Crosby library several years ago. Not surprisingly, a lot of the adjacent land was open greenery, punctuated with a (fisherman’s ?) cottage or two, although the Napoleonic buildings along Marine Terrace were much in evidence. Not surprisingly, there was no sign of the Marina nor of the Seaforth Container Terminal :))

Although I enjoyed many an exhibition at Merchant Taylor’s school in years past, and despite the presence of at least one model railway club in Crosby, I never felt inclined to join any, not being a joiner- inner as such, my growing years spent with footy mad peers (playing mainly), followed by the ubiquitous hiatus due to commitments, socialising and raising a family et al, so like many others, I just pursued the hobby as a lone wolf, and making it up as ai went along: which is probably why I’ve never finished a layout!

Sorry my reply was so long-winded, and if you’d prefer to PM me then fire away, Paul:thumbs:

Best,

Jon
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
Hi Paul.

Glad to hear that the Everest in its latest guise as a Wetherspoon’s has retained its links with the past in the form of the Hornby memorabilia :thumbs:

It’s a while since I passed that way, but the new build already looked quite substantial, and indeed must have been to warrant the construction of a new station, Maghull North. From memory, I think most, if not all of the land was part of the former hospital site of Park Lane to which had been allocated quite some acreage, as not all the former patients were of a high security risk. I believe - yet another piece of trivia for you, Paul :rolleyes: - that they used to do an ‘escaper alert’ practice each Monday morning by the sounding of a wailing siren which local residents became quite used to, and there must be an element of truth in this as I’d heard it from more than one source:eek:

With reference to Frank’s former residence, I do hope I haven’t put you onto a bum steer here Paul, but if it somehow transpires that it wasn’t all purely a figment of my over-active imagination, then do share your captured images with us all here (I doubt many of us would even be involved in the hobby of it hadn’t been for Mr. Hornby; doubt I would anyway as my interest in the real thing was only sparked by his models :)).

My paternal grandfather whom I never knew, was employed by Lord Blundell, and is I believe buried in the charming little grave yard in Ince Blundell, but that’s the nearest link to Little Crosby I can claim, my birth certificate recording my birthplace as Crosby (Greater).

I too, Paul, have enjoyed traversing the rural idyll that was once the route of the former Cheshire Lines Committee, entering it beside the road bridge that carries the single carriageway road between Sefton and Maghull, at the point which was once the location of Maghull and Sefton station. We cycled north along the route, out through Lydiate and Altcar, before eventually leaving it just before the village of Halsall, where we continued onto the tow path of the Leeds and Liverpool canal, stopping for lunch and light refreshments at the delightful Saracen’s Head, which you’ll no doubt have visited at some stage, Paul. From there we rode out through the lanes of Halsall and eventually onto Lord Street, Southport - the terminus of the line I’ve just described - where we stopped for coffee. Then it was onto the Coast Road - the track bed of the former Cheshire Lines to Lord Street line you mentioned - before dropping down into the woodland trail adjacent to the Liverpool - Southport line, which led us into Formby via Freshfield, and eventually to the Hightown Hotel adjacent to the station - where my Dad grew up - and from where we were all picked up, far too unfit to carry on by bike after imbibing, and not to mention a bit knackered ;)

After making mention in my last about the former Waterloo and Southport line that was eventually extended to Liverpool, I recalled seeing a display of the line’s terminus at Waterloo shortly after it was built, in a glass case, on display in Crosby library several years ago. Not surprisingly, a lot of the adjacent land was open greenery, punctuated with a (fisherman’s ?) cottage or two, although the Napoleonic buildings along Marine Terrace were much in evidence. Not surprisingly, there was no sign of the Marina nor of the Seaforth Container Terminal :))

Although I enjoyed many an exhibition at Merchant Taylor’s school in years past, and despite the presence of at least one model railway club in Crosby, I never felt inclined to join any, not being a joiner- inner as such, my growing years spent with footy mad peers (playing mainly), followed by the ubiquitous hiatus due to commitments, socialising and raising a family et al, so like many others, I just pursued the hobby as a lone wolf, and making it up as ai went along: which is probably why I’ve never finished a layout!

Sorry my reply was so long-winded, and if you’d prefer to PM me then fire away, Paul:thumbs:

Best,

Jon
Excellent stuff love your memories Jon as for the Ashworth alarm the siren still sounds at 9am every Monday morning, if we hear it after that then it’s lock your doors and windows and hide :)) When down one of the lanes when you could be anywhere in time walking you can here it and you can imagine how terrible it must of been like hearing the air raid sirens in the war.

As for the old Maghull station by Sefton lane here’s a link to a pic by Tony Robinson who also lives in Maghull and has some cracking old photos of the area


Please keep the happy memories coming Jon

Paul
 

Narrow Tom

New Member
To complete your Everest story. gentlemen. I believe that since the pub became Wetherspoons, it was re-named 'Frank Hornby'.
Despite having lived in Lydiate 60 years ago (when I owned a three-rail layout and loads of Meccano}, I didn't know of the Frank Hornby connection. All I remember is that Ron Yeats lived opposite and Gordon West was just round the corner...
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Excellent stuff love your memories Jon as for the Ashworth alarm the siren still sounds at 9am every Monday morning, if we hear it after that then it’s lock your doors and windows and hide :)) When down one of the lanes when you could be anywhere in time walking you can here it and you can imagine how terrible it must of been like hearing the air raid sirens in the war.

As for the old Maghull station by Sefton lane here’s a link to a pic by Tony Robinson who also lives in Maghull and has some cracking old photos of the area


Please keep the happy memories coming Jon

Paul
:thumbs:
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
To complete your Everest story. gentlemen. I believe that since the pub became Wetherspoons, it was re-named 'Frank Hornby'.
Despite having lived in Lydiate 60 years ago (when I owned a three-rail layout and loads of Meccano}, I didn't know of the Frank Hornby connection. All I remember is that Ron Yeats lived opposite and Gordon West was just round the corner...

Hi Tom, and thanks for the heads-up re the Everest - most reassuring ;)

Yes indeed, Tom, I believe Ron and Gordon were former residents of Lydiate, as was Brian Labone, who sadly passed away in the street while making his way home from a local hostelry several years ago :( I think Colin Harvey resided for a spell somewhere up along Liverpool Road South, not too far from the Meadows pub, which you may recall.

While still on the subject of ‘Old Legends’, it’s good to know that one or two are still with us including Johnny Morrisey, who shares the same barber as myself, as did Carlo (Ancelotti) while he lived locally during his spell with us at Everton.

Regards,

Jon
 

John57sharp

Western Thunderer
We used to have a Monday siren at Eastham Locks (MSC) when we lived down there. I think it was a test for any major spillage alarms, but the one time we had one I was at work (Burlington House in Waterloo as it happens) so missed it.

John
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
We used to have a Monday siren at Eastham Locks (MSC) when we lived down there. I think it was a test for any major spillage alarms, but the one time we had one I was at work (Burlington House in Waterloo as it happens) so missed it.

John

I completed a course of physiotherapy at Burlington House just after Christmas, as the NHS rents part of the building for the purpose. Small world ;)

Jon
 

PjKing1

Western Thunderer
To complete your Everest story. gentlemen. I believe that since the pub became Wetherspoons, it was re-named 'Frank Hornby'.
Despite having lived in Lydiate 60 years ago (when I owned a three-rail layout and loads of Meccano}, I didn't know of the Frank Hornby connection. All I remember is that Ron Yeats lived opposite and Gordon West was just round the corner...
Morning Tom, and everyone else, I’ve seen Roy Evans whilst on walks so I’m guessing he must live these ways to?

Paul
 
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