A musing about MRJ

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Captain Kernow

Western Thunderer
I don't have enough time in my life to build everything from scratch
This is so true, as the years keep rolling by!

Actually, what annoys me the most about the 'finescale' modeller. Is when they complain this and that is wrong on an RTR then proceed to remove everything and stick all the detail bits back on wonky. Producing something that looks worse that what they purchased
You have hit the nail on the head for me here! I have thought this for a very long time!

You don't see it so much on fora these days (well, I don't anyway), but a few years ago there used to be the most vociferous complaints from various D&E modellers about this grille or that particular detail on a given RTR diesel. Some complainants then proceeded to change said grilles etc. for etched products and the end product ended up looking much worse than the original RTR loco.

But then again, I'm a Philistine. I am quite happy with my original Bachmann Class 25. To me, it looks like a Class 25, so it must be a Class 25!
 

ullypug

Western Thunderer
I've seen plenty of wonky in the MRJ. We need more consistent modelling in my view. This is really hard to do.
Tony
I think I need to change my tag line to 'consistently wonky'. It has a certain ring to it. I've always described myself as an EM modeller in P4 clothing and it sums it up nicely.
It was the late Bob Haskins who taught me the benefits of the 3ft rule. If it looks wrong, you're standing too close...
The other words of wisdom came from Brian Oliver who ran the model railway in Weston-super-Mare where I worked as a lad: 'If it doesn't work, oil it. If is still doesn't work, hit it with a hammer. If it still doesn't work, throw it away. It isn't going to. The trick is to know how much oil to use and how big a hammer to hit it with.'
 

MoatLane

Western Thunderer
The reason I buy MRJ is that it isn't digital. I like to sit and 'physically' read it. A digital copy has no appeal whatsoever and it's this 'old world, old skool' feel to it that appeals so much, to me at least.
I recently bought a railway book in digital format for the first time, half the price of the printed version. I love books, the house is full of them. I've never read a novel in digital format, but railway history, hey presto! You can zoom on the photos and maps, as well as reading the text in larger format. This is fantastic, and I can see it as a great boon to modellers.
chris
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Actually, what annoys me the most about the 'finescale' modeller. Is when they complain this and that is wrong on an RTR then proceed to remove everything and stick all the detail bits back on wonky. Producing something that looks worse that what they purchased.

I've seen plenty of wonky in the MRJ. We need more consistent modelling in my view. This is really hard to do.

Respectfully, Tony, I rather suspect your missing the point, mate.

Wonky perhaps, but at least they built it, and isn’t that the point of this finescale mag; building things and to a tolerance?

Although an item could have been shown a little more care in its build, granted, it’s inclusion will no doubt have been to convey the skills, methods and - as importantly- tools to carry out the procedure, in the hope that it would aid others in their attempts to make a model appear more ‘finescale’, or to a tolerance as it were.

Indeed, RTR has been included in the past.

Here, Ditchling Green comes to mind. However, in building this little O Gauge gem, Gordon included a scratch built narrow gauge that ran adjacent to the standard branch (including actually crossing it!), to say nothing about this early introduction to forced perspective, with scribed clay covered buildings of a revolutionary material: foamboard. Painting and weathering was sublimely to the fore as one would expect from a modeller of this standard - hence his inclusion in a modelling mag of MRJ’s standing - however, in this case, Gordon had built everything apart from the mainline track, in the spirit of this hallowed journal.

I’m afraid that a modeller can’t - or shouldn’t - adapt the look of their models - singularly or in its entirety as per my previous example - and expect it to appear in MRJ if its merely RTR: surely this is what the likes of BRM are for, or have I missed the point? Here I would add - and something that I discovered during my dalliance with American HO modelling - that should a modeller submit an article of this sort, it really should be accompanied by a photo of the prototype sporting a similar appearance to give the model some credibility. Indeed, it was a former editor of MRJ whom, to his credit, produced a video on how to weather locos using photos of the prototype (s).

I’m afraid I’m very much of the former: a ‘jenrul wethrer’ and modeller, and one of the reasons I shall be ensuring my subscription expires: I’ve realised any earlier aspirations to acquire the skills to any competent degree in order to become a truly ‘tolerance’ modeller will never, sadly, come to fruition. I’m simply not good enough, and to continue to live in hope will merely see me die in despair.

There’s more I’d like share regarding whether 3D printing and laser cutting (useful tools to ‘assist’ the modeller indeed) is actually modelling, but I think I’d better leave it there, Tony, if only in the interests of the welfare of smoking pipes.

Jon
 

NHY 581

Western Thunderer
I recently bought a railway book in digital format for the first time, half the price of the printed version. I love books, the house is full of them. I've never read a novel in digital format, but railway history, hey presto! You can zoom on the photos and maps, as well as reading the text in larger format. This is fantastic, and I can see it as a great boon to modellers.
chris

Now that I have to agree with. I view most digital images either on my phone or i-pad. Sadly, in moments of complete mental aberration, I find myself using my fingers to 'zoom' in on a photo in a magazine or book.................

Rob
 

Roger Pound

Western Thunderer
Sorry chaps, I long ago accepted that I had neither the skill or the patience to cut, shut. paint or otherwise mess about with what, to me, was a perfectly satisfactory item 'out of the box.' To those who must and enjoy so doing - my total admiration of your achievements.

I am quite happy playing trains with what I consider to be perfectly reasonable and accurate representations 'as they come' and shall remain so!

Good luck to you all - I am now retiring from this thread.

Roger.
 

76043

Western Thunderer
Fair point Jonte, I can't disagree really. Rule 1 always applies in all aspects of our hobby. What I like or don't like doesn't really matter or should be forced upon others.

On digital mags, some like digital mags and some don't. That's all we need to know really.

I forgot to add that in my view anything by Gordon Gravett is also brilliant!
Tony
 
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oldravendale

Western Thunderer
May I suggest that what this comes down to is that there are as many variations within the railway fraternity as there are people taking part. No one approach or specialisation can be considered superior to any other - sure there are some practitioners in all the various branches of the hobby who are head and shoulders ahead of us mere mortals but all have a particular preference.

I don't do it but see nothing at all wrong with "out of the box" modelling if it gives pleasure.

Brian
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Fair point Jonte, I can't disagree really. Rule 1 always applies in all aspects of our hobby. What I like or don't like doesn't really matter or should be forced upon others.

On digital mags, some like digital mags and some don't. That's all we need to know really.

I forgot to add that in my view anything by Gordon Gravett is also brilliant!
Tony
Indeed, Tony.

The reality is that whenever the topic of MRJ is raised, it tends to wander off course and head in the usual direction. See what I mean?;)

Love it or hate it, MRJ is solely for the upper echelons of modellers; that’s just the way it is, and perhaps - as with my early aspirations - there is some benefit to this; provided it remains so, without erosion of its standards and modelling ethos.

Regarding the prospect of a digital issue: I - probably like others here of a certain bent - am already the recipient of a certain ‘free’ online journal in the form of an American railroad magazine: MRH. Apparently the advertising pays for its production.

Cheers,

Jon
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
May I suggest that what this comes down to is that there are as many variations within the railway fraternity as there are people taking part. No one approach or specialisation can be considered superior to any other - sure there are some practitioners in all the various branches of the hobby who are head and shoulders ahead of us mere mortals but all have a particular preference.

I don't do it but see nothing at all wrong with "out of the box" modelling if it gives pleasure.

Brian

Nobody can argue with that, Brian.

Individually, each of us seeks and, hopefully, receives their own rewards from this wonderful hobby, irrespective of our abilities.

However, and respectfully, it’s MRJ being discussed, and as it’s primarily aimed at the finescale modeller, I suppose by definition, it’s bound to be a tad exclusive.

I’ll just have to live with it ;)

Jon
 

76043

Western Thunderer
Jonte, I have to say I have always liked and respected the MRJ and have no bones with it and long may it continue in whatever form it can. I seriously have no problem with the exclusive nature of it because that's what it's for, to highlight inspirational work. I'd never want to see this diluted, but I do think Rob's work overall, regardless of its origins is equal to anything I've seen in MRJ. That was my only point really.
Tony
 

NHY 581

Western Thunderer
Sorry chaps, I long ago accepted that I had neither the skill or the patience to cut, shut. paint or otherwise mess about with what, to me, was a perfectly satisfactory item 'out of the box.' To those who must and enjoy so doing - my total admiration of your achievements.

I am quite happy playing trains with what I consider to be perfectly reasonable and accurate representations 'as they come' and shall remain so!

Good luck to you all - I am now retiring from this thread.

Roger.

And that is absolutely fine, Roger. This hobby is all about finding your 'level', something we all have and at which we derive the most satisfaction from. A level which delivers the results we want to achieve. But it's always been that way.

I'm content with where I am.......or too lazy to alter my approach. Probably the latter.

My modelling is RTR based. I'm lucky in that what I'm interested in is well served by recent releases. But I would never exhibit anything which is out of the box. I have to put my stamp on it. I'm able to renumber/recrest if so inclined to give me a specific loco if not ready available rtr then weather items as required.
These models are far superior to anything I could produce from a kit. I know this.

My stock retains the tension lock couplings both at home and when used at exhibitions. They are easy to use and to my eyes relatively unobtrusive or at least, no worse than Dinghams, Spratt and Winkle and the like. A huge pet hate of mine is the wire across the buffer heads.......What !! And you tell me my T/L couplings are obtrusive..!

At exhibitions, visitors can see this is ready to run stock, complete with tension locks and link it (?!) to what they have at home.

But, however nice my stock/layouts may appear to others ( and I'm grateful for the lovely comments made regarding my modest efforts in this thread) my modelling is not MRJ material. Is this because of the prevailing attitudes towards rtr stock especially those examples using these couplings ?
As has been said, other magazines may be/are happy with this and my layouts have all featured in BRM and Model Rail. Perhaps this is my 'level' but who has decided this and should I be content with it ?

Do I therefore bite the bullet and change to three links/screw couplings, as this is the only option I see ? Most of the screw couplings I have seen are rather larger than life anyway. I don't want to change but would this acquiescence then make my efforts more likely to grace the hallowed pages of MRJ ? And if I do this, what of the PECO code 75 streamline track I use or the complete lack of point actuating mechanisms.......Again, both are something I don't want to move away from, well not quite true but I'll certainly not be building my own track.

Don't get me wrong. This is not a rant. Far from it.

But even the "average modeller" , to quote a phrase, has access these days to RTR models whose level of detail and quality of finish surpasses certainly some of the models seen in the pages of early MRJs.There are problems though and I seem to have had my share of rubbish running RTR locos as of late. So, it's not all good in RTR world and I have seen just how a well made, suitably motored and geared replacement chassis can run but this is a completely different debate.

MRJ needs to broaden it's horizons and I do believe that this can be done without compromising it's place at the high table of the model railway world.
Crucially, it needs to attract and hold onto the younger modellers and they are about, despite the contraction of the hobby. I think this is entirely possible but the content has to appeal. Younger modellers must be able to identify with the content.

I started buying MRJ when I was 20. It was both illuminating and inspiring. I'm now 58 and I can't help but wonder how many 20yr olds are buying it now and are they as illuminated and inspired as I was.

Rob.
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
Jonte, I have to say I have always liked and respected the MRJ and have no bones with it and long may it continue in whatever form it can. I seriously have no problem with the exclusive nature of it because that's what it's for, to highlight inspirational work. I'd never want to see this diluted, but I do think Rob's work overall, regardless of its origins is equal to anything I've seen in MRJ. That was my only point really.
Tony
I suppose it’s all subjective, Tony.

I enjoy Rob’s work too: he makes the ordinary interesting.

However, I’m not quite sure whether any modelling can be described as breathtaking, but the nearest to it that I’ve experienced of late is the fascinating work of our own @Podartist79; I always have to do a double-take.

From a personal point of view, I find myself in aware this multimedia art; it really is outstanding; sets the bar extremely high.
But, is it outstanding enough to appear in a primary finescale modelling magazine, such as MRJ though? I’d like to believe so. I for one would dearly love to emulate it.

Video please, Neil ! :)

Jon
 

djparkins

Western Thunderer
I started buying MRJ when I was 20. It was both illuminating and inspiring. I'm now 58 and I can't help but wonder how many 20yr olds are buying it now and are they as illuminated and inspired as I was.

Rob.

Very very few I would guess, if any.

And reading this thread makes me pessimistic about MRJ's future. I like the mag and I like the stripped back format of it's pages, as has been referred to earlier in this thread. To me the 'popular' magazines pages look like an over crowded 'dog's breakfast'! But again, other views are equally valuable - but then so is my view!

The latest issue is a real 'dog' IMHO - but you get some like that. Next one might be better.

As regards standards of modelling. I worked as a full time carriage builder for Col. Ronald J Hoare in the mid-late 1970s. Forget MRJ - he pushed your modelling standard up by fear!!!
 

jonte

Western Thunderer
I started buying MRJ when I was 20. It was both illuminating and inspiring. I'm now 58 and I can't help but wonder how many 20yr olds are buying it now and are they as illuminated and inspired as I was.

Rob.

Chin up, Rob.

In my experience, quality always prevails.

I’m sure the mag will continue to prosper.

Jon
 

simond

Western Thunderer
I wonder about “out of the box” modelling as noted by Brian above. I had a work colleague in Normandy many years back. On hearing of my interest in matters ferroviare, he kindly invited me for dinner one evening, so I could see his models.

His collection was extensive, I’m no expert on French railways, but apparently every era, class & type of loco, and a huge range of rolling stock, all exquisite H0 models, all carefully extracted from their boxes, placed on a metre of flexitrack, run up & down a couple of times and then carefully returned to their boxes and stashed back on the shelves of his loft-full of wardrobes.

Whilst it certainly gave him a great deal of pleasure, I’d submit that this really isn’t modelling, it’s collecting.
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
I wonder about “out of the box” modelling as noted by Brian above. I had a work colleague in Normandy many years back. On hearing of my interest in matters ferroviare, he kindly invited me for dinner one evening, so I could see his models.

His collection was extensive, I’m no expert on French railways, but apparently every era, class & type of loco, and a huge range of rolling stock, all exquisite H0 models, all carefully extracted from their boxes, placed on a metre of flexitrack, run up & down a couple of times and then carefully returned to their boxes and stashed back on the shelves of his loft-full of wardrobes.

Whilst it certainly gave him a great deal of pleasure, I’d submit that this really isn’t modelling, it’s collecting.
That, surely, is the overlap. Where does one start and the other begin?

B
 
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