Turned out nice

daifly

Western Thunderer
In one of my periodic rushes of blood to the head, last summer I purchased an unused Proxxon PD250/E lathe (bought and returned to the supplier by someone else). When it arrived and I opened the box I was more than a little intimidated by all of the handles, switches, selectors and other controls as well as a large range of included accessories. My solution was, as usual to buy a couple of the bibles on the use use of the small lathe.
Now in the same way that a cupboard full of unbuilt kits and a couple of books by Iain Rice and Gordon Gravett don't make you a modeller, owning a lathe and a couple of books don't make you any sort of 'engineer' either. Experienced lathe users may be able to remember what it was like before they had their first introduction to the device but I suspect that many WTers, like me, have never used one before but would like to have some expert tuition in the safe operation of a small lathe. I was more than a little afeared of damaging the lathe or me without some proper guidance.
Axminster Tools, at their Axminster HQ have a Skill Centre where they offer a variety of short courses and I have just completed a two-day 'Introduction to the Small Lathe' course.
This is what I made:
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It fits together like this:
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or in the other end like this:
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There is a very satisfying 'pop' as the insert is withdrawn from its socket. To give an idea of scale, the larger part started as a piece 25 x 85mm and the smaller was 20 x 40mm. The creation of these two parts was the work of the two days on the course and required turning, chamfering, drilling, boring, reaming, tapping, screw cutting, knurling. Tutoring on cutting speeds, lubrication, cooling, use of a steady, end drill, live centre, parting off, plus tool selection, use and care was also given.
All of the above skills were introduced and although a two-day course has not made me into a master craftsman it has given me the basic knowledge and confidence to begin to use my lathe safely and effectively.
You may ask, "what does the thing do and what is it for?"
The answer is that is was simply a workshop exercise but every time I look at it and handle it I have a huge grin on my face because I made every single bit of it myself and I'm chuffed to bits!
Dave
 

Dan Randall

Western Thunderer
Well done Dave. :thumbs: I too, have a lathe (very kindly given to me by Cynric, when he bought a new one), but have yet to switch it on and have a go on it. I've often considered doing an evening class at college, but with the shifts I work, I'd probably miss 75% of the lessons, so the Axminster course sounds like something I might be interested in at some point.


Regards

Dan Randall
 

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Congratulations Dave, won't be long before you are doing your own wheels now :thumbs:
I hope you enjoy the journey - the training course sounds like a very good way to start (as opposed to my suck and see trials), milling machine next...;)
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Nice job, Dave. Well done for taking the plunge!

Trouble is, there's never quite enough time...

Some years back, I bought a basket case "Rob Roy", 3.5" gauge 0-6-0 live steamer. In those days, I worked part time and I made some good progress on it, whilst doing my 7mm stuff when the weather was a bit too chill for the garage. In 2007, we emigrated to India, it went in a box, and has remained there ever since, despite our return in 2010.

Or space...

Because you'll think, mmm, I can turn that, but then I'd need to mill that bit. Mm, I'll get a milling attachment for the lathe, no, I'd be better with a proper milling machine, and it won't be much more expensive..., ah, and a laser cutter would be useful, and a welding bench, brazing torch, bigger work bench, storage for vices, jigs, tools, templates, storage for materials... and on it goes.

Or perhaps I'm just not organised.

Btw, Tony is a helpful resource - usual disclaimers of course - Lathes

Best
Simon
 

Ressaldar

Western Thunderer
Great work Dave, I envy you taking the plunge and I'm looking forward to seeing your first pieces for your 1/12th scale Merlin - sometime soon:thumbs:

kind regards

Mike
 

SimonT

Western Thunderer
Rats. I looked and discovered that the Cowells 90 is still manufactured. Any one want a Seig SC2?
Simon
 

Andrew

Active Member
Hi Simon/Dave,
Rats. I looked and discovered that the Cowells 90 is still manufactured. Any one want a Seig SC2?
Simon

Happy to say I am the proud possessor of a Cowells 90ME and what a lovely little thing is too!

Using a lathe for the first time can be quite daunting -I had the good fortune to serve my time as a mechanical engineer with the old CEGB at Poole Power Station (which sadly no longer exists) and had the benefit of quality tuition on just about every machine tool you could think of. I am ever grateful for that so, well done Dave, you'll be amazed at the things you can now 'turn out' (sorry!)

Regards,

Andrew
 

oldravendale

Western Thunderer
Excellent stuff, Dave.

I've promised myself that I must learn how to use Steph's lathe which is set up in the workshop but has not seen use for at least the last twelve years.....

Brian
 

daifly

Western Thunderer
Thanks all for the supportive comments and advice.
I wrote the post as much as anything to encourage others contemplating the purchase of a lathe (or brushing the cobwebs off a gifted machine!) to consider doing a course like I did. As Dan highlights, it's not easy for many to get to an evening class regularly (even if you could find one offering such a course).
We had 2 full days with short lunch and tea breaks so probably had 14 hours of hands-on time. It would probably take a couple of months of evening classes to achieve as much but without the benefit of continuity. There were 4 of us (the maximum course size) so lots of one-to-one time.
Dave
 

daifly

Western Thunderer
I hope you enjoy the journey - the training course sounds like a very good way to start (as opposed to my suck and see trials), milling machine next...;)
I booked the two-day 'Introduction to Milling' course this very morning for 21st/22nd June! Did I mention that I have an almost-mint Proxxon MF70 milling machine that has yet to be christened?
Cheers
Dave
 

Heather Kay

Western Thunderer
I was interested in this. Actually, still am. Thing is I'd have to have a nice holiday in Axminster to go on the course!

Well, that's something to think about, anyway.

Pity Axminster Tools can't do some of these at their other stores, too. Our local one only does wood turning "events".
 

phileakins

Western Thunderer
I booked the two-day 'Introduction to Milling' course this very morning for 21st/22nd June! Did I mention that I have an almost-mint Proxxon MF70 milling machine that has yet to be christened?
Cheers
Dave

I'm keeping that course a secret (I have a milling machine attached to my lathe) until I can 'suggest' it to the other half later in the year! I'd love to do the June one with you - but the garage have reminded me that they would like some money, although they did say please.
 

phileakins

Western Thunderer
Well then - course duly completed and 'poppy' thing in hand. Doesn't look exactly like yours Dave - but then I could never read a drawing! The instructor (Bob) was very patient and got me through though, redesigning on the hoof. Pops beautifully!

We covered a heck of a lot of ground in two days, from tool grinding, and design, to screw cutting on the lathe both internal and external*.

Also came away with a second hand lathe (Seig C2 300) and a number of accessories - I reckon I got the best part of a grand's worth of kit for £560. :) My flexible friend is now a bit over stretched, and SWMBO doesn't know about it yet, as she's out ... Looks like I'll have to sell something to pay for it, very possibly my soul.

In addition to the lathe I came away with a new found confidence in machining (I had none before) and have proved that I can turn to within .01 mm (hence the very satisfying 'pop' as one part is removed from another). I can't think of any negative aspect of the course, staff friendly and very supportive in the face of mechanical stupidity - even the grub was very acceptable. I've also come away with enough metal and drawings to try again and get it right!

I'd now love to do the milling course - but can I afford a 'new' milling machine if tempted?

Anyone havering about going to Axminster, don't delay, it's worth every penny and, what's more, you'll enjoy every minute of it.

PS *And learned the practical uses of PI ...
 
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phileakins

Western Thunderer
Those of you with with toolroom experience should look away now - move along now, nothing to see here! :rolleyes:

For the rest of us bodgers, here's the Axminster badged Seig C2 now firmly (I can't now lift the darned thing) in place. It's been a bit of a tale getting to this stage and until a couple of days ago it was a fixture on the sitting room coffee table while I worked on it. It had obviously been used to train people on the disassembly of a machine and (almost) on its re-assembly. I say almost as there were screws missing, loose and over-tightened, and a rather important bit broken completely off, which Axminster then replaced without a quibble. What I can't source is the metal leadscrew cover which someone had taken off and lost (along with a number of other things).

I also rather suspect that it has not done a lot of turning. :confused:

Having studied a lot of YouTube offerings the lathe has been completely taken apart, cleaned, re-assembled, properly adjusted and the first of a number of planned mods made. It's had a number of presents bought for it, the toolpost being the most noticeable in the photo'. Oh, and it's made metal sawdust - turning to a good accuracy, well enough for a bodger that is. :)

So, do I hear you say, having got this far, what do I now do with it? Well, Martin Evans designed a 3 1/2" NG engine called Conway for the ME back in the day, and a friend (with a very large lathe indeed!) invested in three sets of castings for the loco at the time, but which he never used. Hmmmm... I'm tempted particularly as the main metalwork for the loco is available off-the-shelf from a couple of sources.
 

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phileakins

Western Thunderer
Well, metal 'sawdust' has been produced and the smell of hot cutting oil has filled the house (not popular with some occupants though, Words have been said!).

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Any resemblance between the result of the Axminster course (on the left) and today's output is purely intentional. :)

It's still a huge learning curve but, left to my own devices and working at my own pace, today's work is more dimensionally accurate. Not perfect but close(r).

I also found that working the exercise on a smaller lathe meant re-thinking the production process - all good fun on a hot day. Now relaxing with a VERY cold beer. :D

Anyone else going to partake of an Axminster course?

PS Had to readjust the compound slide which I hadn't previously done - I found it to be the the victim of the over tightening and the over loosening screw driver wealder, and there are only two screws in the darn thing. :rant:
 
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Martin Shaw

Western Thunderer
Phil
Congratulations on your developing skills, most impressive. May I ask how you find the C2 to use, the reason being that I am contemplating the SC3 from Arc later in the year, funds permitting.

Regards
Martin
 
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