Thanks, John (another great name!). That's brilliant! I can now (just) see the kite string on the first pics, they're very fine. Just by the bye, when I joined Mickleover MRC back in oh, about 1983 - I believe there were about six Johns there so we all had to use our full name, i.e. John Edge, JDK, etc, etc I think all my clubs have usually had at least one other John but six was the maximum! Cheers, John.