7mm Pete's workbench. LMS 2P or madness in a box.

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Quick update on the composite. It's now got two sides and two ends. Needs a good clean and tidy up. Not sure what brass it is but looks awful an hour after cleaning.
Back to size it's a millimetre under 63, 9 foot wide. Looking at the roof I need to find a way to solder it on and remove the floor. I'm sure it will be stronger and the roof will fit better.

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Also checking to see how the door hinges should look.

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Also in between the windows there should be a cover strip but there's an etch channel instead. Here's an experiment to try and get flat strips. 0.8 wire soldered in and filed flat. I think it is a vast improvement.

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No lav vents yet need to check but sure there should be only 1 not 2.
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
More power to your elbow Pete. I'd have given up by now! :thumbs:

From experience I reckon scratchbuilding is probably easier...

Steph
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Peter, lav vents - depends on when it was built. What coach number were you thinking of?

Well not thought of a number as yet. Was looking for a loose coach in BR green, after this I want easy painting. As the size is only a millimetre off 9 foot I was going with Dia 2301 not 2302 what it's supposed to be. So 4 firsts. Needs to be an earlier one or the windows will be wrong shape.
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
More power to your elbow Pete. I'd have given up by now! :thumbs:

From experience I reckon scratchbuilding is probably easier...

Steph
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Your probably right. It's not for me I probably should of passed the kit on. But I think I don't know enough about carriages, so didn't really know what I was in for. I've got a few old South Western Circle LSWR corridor coaches to do for me, so it will be practice, the etches are about the same vintage. But I do need to scratch build an ironclad E set for me ag
 

Yorkshire Dave

Western Thunderer
No lav vents yet need to check but sure there should be only 1 not 2.

If it's a 1931 (or later) coach there are two ventilator bonnets over the toilet window. Stock built prior to 1931 only had one ventilator bonnet.

As for loose coaches - Diag 2301 is a bit tricky - an initial glance at Gould's bible shows not many of these coaches were loose for any length of time (greater than few months) in the BR period whereas Diag 2302 is a different matter.
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
If it's a 1931 (or later) coach there are two ventilator bonnets over the toilet window. Stock built prior to 1931 only had one ventilator bonnet.

As for loose coaches - Diag 2301 is a bit tricky - an initial glance at Gould's bible shows not many of these coaches were loose for any length of time (greater than few months) in the BR period whereas Diag 2302 is a different matter.

Yes I'd come to that conclusion. As you noticed I decided not to narrow it down to correct Diagram. I thought 2 plus mill was a bit much.

I know little of BR, when did coaching stock start bring painted green again. Also is there a car colour that matches, as I may be able to get a tin here.
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Also in tandem with the the carriage. Painting still continues. Here's the jubilee. Just needing shed plate and number on the smokebox, which I've misplaced for now.

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Looks like I need to tidy the footplate lining before varnish is applied.

Lining has begun on the 1262 it's going slowly. I can't seem to get into the right mood. Some tidying needs doing to what's done. Buffer planks have also turned red.

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Looking to get the F1 lettered and numbered this week.
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Maunsell coach...

For a restriction 4, high window D2301 you have:

5171-5172 and 5634-5651 which had single lav vents
5652-5691 which had 2

As Dave says, it doesn't look like there's a candidate from this lot that was loose. I would suggest picking one that was formed into a long-lived 3 coach set as that could be finished by the buyer with the addition of just 2 Slater's brakes.

BR green was from July 1956 and all coaches were repainted by about 1960 (ref Gould).
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
Thanks Chris.
Will look at 2 vents then. Will have to make as not supplied in kit. Will see what's about in this 5652-5691 series. Even if for a few months.
 

LarryG

Western Thunderer
With those external window frames, it looks like the model is based on the final Maunsell design with Alpax window frames. Preceding coaches had flush sides while even earlier coaches had wooden window bolections.
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Larry,

I think they're just really rubbish bolections. :confused:

The Alpax window frames didn't have rounded internal corners and I can't see how they could be flush glazed to simulate the glazing units. Of course the window spacing on the corridor side is the tell-tale as it doesn't match either of the two flavours of 'New Window' (1935-37) stock, but does match the 'High Window' stock.

Ergo; they're just really rubbish bolections. :headbang:

Steph
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
With those external window frames, it looks like the model is based on the final Maunsell design with Alpax window frames. Preceding coaches had flush sides while even earlier coaches had wooden window bolections.

Larry.
If it were a 1936 D2308 the 4 corridor side doors would be between compartments. They align with the compartment doors and therefore the sides suit D2301/2/3/4.

Peter.
The other option you have is a D2303. That's the same externally but internally D2303 has 3 1st and 4 3rds rather than the 4 1st and 3 3rds of the D2301. The difference was just in the internal partition thicknesses.

There were only 7 of them (5585-5591) and 5586 was loose from 1959...
 

Pencarrow

Western Thunderer
Larry,

I think they're just really rubbish bolections. :confused:

The Alpax window frames didn't have rounded internal corners and I can't see how they could be flush glazed to simulate the glazing units. Of course the window spacing on the corridor side is the tell-tale as it doesn't match either of the two flavours of 'New Window' (1935-37) stock, but does match the 'High Window' stock.

Ergo; they're just really rubbish bolections. :headbang:

Steph

I agree Steph and was looking up the D2303 option to add to my post as you were writing yours...
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Useful summary, Chris :thumbs:

Even if I prefer other descriptions for the 1935-7 stock. It just me being a bit of a pedant, I guess. :oops:

Steph
 

Steph Dale

Western Thunderer
Chris,

It's entirely possible I've got myself crossed up, but I thought there were a couple of earlier carriages that were rebuilt in 1937 (in the '36 style) after accident damage?

It is quite possible I'm thinking of something else though...!

Steph
 

Peter Cross

Western Thunderer
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The above is a guide I put together to try and explain the various restriction/body/diagram relationship for Maunsell coaches.




Well that's very clear and useful. I will look at numbers on the 2303 and see if they were single or double toilet vents.

Thanks guys for all your input. I knew this was not going to be a perfect Maunsell coach. I'm trying to work with what's in the box. I am sure there are better kits and also I'm sure there will be worse models. All the information will be if great help when I get around to building something for myself. In reality I should of just passed on the kit. But I need some carriage building practice.
 
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