Load for implement wagon

[Les Golledge]

Thank you.

Hi Jamie,
If ropes are used to hold a metal load a lot of protection would be needed to prevent the ropes chaffing and therefore cut through releasing the load. Chains could have something like several layers of sacking to protect the load from being marked. It is also worth remembering to secure a load somewhere that won't get bent by the movement of the load in transit, once a bend starts the chains get slack so more movement equals more bending.
I remember at one exhibition seeing a farm tractor secured with a chain around the steering track rod, if a real one had been secured that way it would have been fun unloading without a crane as with a bent trackrod the the front wheels could have had a considerable amount of toe-in.
Ie the wheels would have been trying to get to the same point on the wagon deck if driven forward repairs in order before delivery to its destination.
Regards,
Les.

 

[jamiepage]

All taken on board, thank you very much Les.
Yours
Jamie

 

[daifly]

Without a large print or scan I am not sure but it could be "NORTH LONDON RAILWAY".

I feel that is unlikely. To the best of my limited knowledge, North London Railway wagons were usually lettered NLR as in the cropped photo below.
Dave

 

[Overseer]

We need an expert. My books are in storage so I can't check the photos I think I recall with the full name spelt out. They will be 1880s or 90s photos. I do know there were Parry private owner wagons with the full North London Railway spelt out on the second plank, but that was during the 1860s.

 

[Les Golledge]

Hi Jamie,
Having had a bit more thought perhaps several layers of canvas could have been used as protection (sacrificial) or maybe more likely pieces of timber. The best way of couse is having lugs welded in place then the chain can be hooked or shackled in place. I'm glad I was able to help, having been involved with chaining armoured vehicles to railway wagons having lugs or brackets to attach the chains to is a god send.
Regards,
Les.

 

[jamiepage]

I'm sorry if this is starting to appear a bit over the top for what is after all, just a load, but having been convinced the turntable deck would sit better the right way up, I need to do something about the centre detail.
The photo shows an attempt to interpret the drawing I have, but does it look at all convincing? Does anyone have photos of the centre gubbins to compare it against? A google search hasn't helped so far.
Thank you.
And thank you, Les. I'm assuming the thing is off to be scrapped so I'm not sure whether protection would have been needed (?), but chains it is.

 

[jamiepage]

Unklian was interested in seeing how the Archer rivet transfers turned out in this scale. Here's a cruel snap after the first blow over of black paint. A poor paint job with lots of bits to get rid of, but the rivets turned out ok I thought.
They were cut from their sheet 88082. (7/8 in. G scale rivets)

 

[Steve Sykes]

PS What is the lettering on the wagon with straw bales behind the twin bolster? Can't quite make it out.

As there appear to be two little spots centred above and below the middle line of text, I wonder if it could be the Great Northern livery in the period when the lettering was:

G
NORTHERN
R

 

[Steve Sykes]

Damn, it has removed the formatting. The G and the R should be centred above and below NORTHERN.

 

[unklian]

Very nice Jamie, the rivets are looking good. As to it being over the top for 'just' a load, I disagree, far too many model wagons are loaded in a 'that will do' sort of frame of mind .

 

[Mike W]

I agree Jamie - rivets look excellent and very, very even. I'm impressed.

Mike

 

[geoff_nicholls]

far too many model wagons are loaded in a 'that will do' sort of frame of mind .

after Mike W was so complementary about Caledonian Mike's book, I should point out that Mike W's own book on LNWR wagons has a very good chapter of official LNWR photos showing how one should and should not load a wagon. Though I don't think it includes unusual machinery.

 

[jamiepage]

Thank you. One further question then?
Do these mock ups look ok? Are the timber baulks substantial enough or does it all look a bit too tottery? Once that's finalised and painting/ weathering completed, I need to make up shackles etc.
Thank you.
PS The photos show I didn't get one line of rivets to follow the curve very well, which is a bit annoying.

 

[ZiderHead]

That really is lovely work Special mention for the sole bar weathering, spot on!

 

[jamiepage]

Well, that's very decent of you, thank you.

 

[geoff_nicholls]

and the rope loops, please could you explain how you made them? I'm going to need 24 for a GER wool wagon.

 

[jamiepage]

I used eyelets from Prime Miniatures (their M1 size, I think). The loops themselves were sliced off from wire wrapped around a bar of suitable diameter.
All pushed into pre drilled holes after painting/ lettering, in this case.

 

[Jon Nazareth]

Jamie
All very nice indeed and I do like the timber baulks, they look quite lifelike.

Jon

 

[jamiepage]

I think that's it, bar chains, shackles and ropes.
Thanks to the advice, it is sitting upright, on timber baulks, and will be securely chained.
Thank you.

 

[graham thorp]

I think that's it, bar chains, shackles and ropes.
Thanks to the advice, it is sitting upright, on timber baulks, and will be securely chained.
Thank you.
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Hi Jamie.

Hope you don't mind but I adjusted the colour on your image to show it off a little better There is some nice weathering on the steel work of the turntable which became apparent on the brighter version.