Jinty's Non Western WB

[Jinty]

I've made a start on my Sidelines D1851 Corridor Brake 3rd yesterday. There are a number of ways to put these kits together, but I'm going down the sides and roof separate and screwed down onto the underframe. I've also started it in reverse to the instructions. I've started the underframe first, and will move onto the body in due course.

I started removing a few bits from the etch and before I know it, I'd cleaned a few bits up and soldered them together.
Caution with the actual underframe main piece as it will try and move with any kind of heat given to it!!! I ended up just spotting it together.
Here it is with the solebars, bufferbeams, buffer shanks, and trussing fitted together.



And here it is from the other end with the corridor partition just sat in place




I will be adding the vac cylinders and linkages, the battery boxes and all the strapping and the dynamo and mounting later today. I may also start on the ends and sides with the detailing.
I have to say what a nice kit this is, and I will be building a couple more for my BR (M) train from Hereford through Talyllyn.

 

[Jinty]

And a bit has been done on the ends ready to form up the 'box'




Work tomorrow, so I'll crack on with the sides on Monday.

Jinty

 

[dibateg]

Looking very clean Jinty, I enjoyed my build of the Sidelines kits.

 

[Ressaldar]

Looking very clean Jinty, I enjoyed my build of the Sidelines kits.

me too

cheers

Mike

 

[Jinty]

Yes the Sidelines kits are a joy to build. A bit of a learning curve with the first one, but once I've got this one up on its wheels and looking somewhere decent, I'll be armed with the experience of how to go about them. I think it's the same with most kits, the designer has a style of his own, and they build in a certain way. Hence the kits are built in certain ways too, and the builder has to understand the designer.

Up early before work today, and I've managed to fit the bump stops, handrails, hinges, droplights and duckets to both sides.





Next up, to make up the box.

Can anyone enlighten me as to the style of lining on these coaches, for BR Maroon, 1960's please?
Is it yellow/black/yellow at waist height and yellow black at cantrail, or just the yellow/black/yellow at waist?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Ressaldar]

Hi David,

just a quick 'observation' = it may prove easier in the long run to leave the grab rails adjacent to the door handles until after painting and lining as the lining generally goes through the horizontal line at door handle height and it makes it easier when applying the lining.

cheers

Mike

 

[Jinty]

Hi David,

just a quick 'observation' = it may prove easier in the long run to leave the grab rails adjacent to the door handles until after painting and lining as the lining generally goes through the horizontal line at door handle height and it makes it easier when applying the lining.

cheers

Mike

Thanks for that Mike, a bit late for this one, but as I've mentioned, I have got a couple more to do, once this one, and another couple of projects have been completed. Great information, I'm all for making life easier.

 

[Jinty]

Early start today and got the sides and ends tacked whilst mounted on the underframe, tacked into position, and then seam soldered once all in place.
Cleaned up and checked for height with the one bogie I'm half way through, and it needs a little lift. So I think a 1mm brass penny washer should do the trick, and it should make the lateral movement more stable.





On to the roof next, I'll get it cut, shaped and glued onto the body first before marking out for all the ventilators, ribbing and water pipework.

 

[90164]

'Can anyone enlighten me as to the style of lining on these coaches, for BR Maroon, 1960's please?
Is it yellow/black/yellow at waist height and yellow black at cantrail, or just the yellow/black/yellow at waist?'

The former.

Regards

Frank

 

[warren haywood]

Yellow black yellow waist and yellow above black above windows

 

[Jinty]

Thank you for the information re: the lining, I will get some ordered

As for the coach build, well lets just say the beading was testing!!! Kept lifting off the surface, but I eventually worked out it was in direct sunlight and behind a window, so I think the heat did it!

I've now sorted the problem, and also fitted the water filler pipes, which needed some intricate bending, etc, and also the handrails.
I then cleaned all the body with IPA and primered it all.




And from the other end.




I've also given the underframe some attention. I've strengthened the truss rods, fitted the regulator box, made up and fitted the dynamo, and made up some vac pipes from nickel silver wire, added some Slaters springs and ends, and soldered them on. I've also added some Slaters steam heat pipes and some extra bent wire inside the springs. Just need to find my fine chain now.
The underframe is not far of ready for primering, I have got the compartment partitions and seating to make up yet, but that shouldn't take long.

Question: I've heard of a gentleman who makes up accurate seating for O gauge coaches with dental plaster. Has anyone here heard of him?

 

[BrushType4]

I prefer to drink my IPA rather than clean coach bodies with it.

 

[Jinty]

I've managed to put the maroon onto the coach body, also the roof grey as well. I've got some picking out of a few details and the lining and numbering to do yet, but hopefully should get that done this week. Then it'll be on to the glazing, of which I'm trying real glass first to see how I go with it.

Here are a couple of pictures of the coach so far.





This turned up yesterday for me to fit a sound decoder into.
I thought what a cute little railcar, I wouldn't mind one for Talyllyn, but they never ran there, probably because of the gradients surrounding it. Shame as I quite like it, but it'd have to be a yellow panel one for me.

 

[john lewsey]

Looks good to me

 

[Ressaldar]

This turned up yesterday for me to fit a sound decoder into.
I thought what a cute little railcar, I wouldn't mind one for Talyllyn, but they never ran there, probably because of the gradients surrounding it. Shame as I quite like it, but it'd have to be a yellow panel one for me.

View attachment 46531

Hi David,

I have the yellow panel version and fitted the sound decoder in - slight problem in that the hole for the speaker wires to go through did not line up with the hole in the corner of the partition, so I just left them 'as seen' down the outside of the partition, but in actual fact, you just do not notice them. Still need to do the weathering though.

cheers

Mike

 

[Jinty]

Thanks for the advice Mike. I'll see how my friends comes out before I commit to one.

I've been continuing with the Stanier Brake coach, and after finishing the lining yesterday, I varnished it this morning.
Whilst the varnish was drying for a couple of hours, I decided to cut the windows out of the 24mm x 50mm coverslips.
I managed to destroy a few, but once I got the hang of it, it went quite well. The main thing I learnt was to take your time and be gentle!

I fitted the glass into one side and painted two of the windows on this particular side, for the toilet and letter rack.
Here are a couple of images:





I've still yet to finish the bogies, but that's because I've been faffing around with the lining and glazing.

 

[Jinty]

Well the Stanier coach is just about done!!!
Although after loking at the pictures I can see some areas that still need attention. Handrails that are still red, etc. I have ordered some Preiser 1:43 seated figures for it, although I'm not going mad. I've also got some 'No Smoking' signs for the compartment next to the lavvy, and a couple of solebar transfer details such as the vacuum star, etc.
I have fitted the compartment partition windows with coverslips as well, although you won't be able to make them out until the 'No Smoking' sign is placed on it., or until there is reflection from a passenger or two.
I have still got to make up and attach the security grill work in the guards compartment windows, struggling to find a picture to go off.
Here are some pictures in the garden, nice and sunny but still not enough to penetrate to see the interior.





Here is a close up of the compartment partition, the seating can be seen beyond the glass.



And a couple more views of the lavatory side






Once the passengers have been dulled down a bit and fitted, the transfers fitted and the security grilles have been made up and fitted, the whole coach will undertake a gentle weathering, and have the lighting and decoder fitted.
Any comments welcome, especially if anyone has any pictures of the security grilles.

 

[adrian]

That does look good - the windows especially - it was worth it going with glass. I don't know much about coaches so tell me if I'm wrong but the ends look a little plain being all black. Would there not be electrification flashes etc on the ends or am I thinking of a later era?

 

[oldravendale]

Love the windows! (No surprise there, then!)

The buffers show the ring marks from the machining though, and are too bright for my liking, especially as the couplings have been so nicely blacked. Shiny buffers are a bete noir of mine though, so take advice from others on the forum before worrying about this. I'd also rub the buffer heads down to smoothness on some reducing grades of emery paper. Overall that coach is stunning though and the finish on the coach sides is wonderful. The interiors look the business too.

I remember these vehicles behind Coronations on the West Coast Main Line. You'll need only another twelve to make up a representative train!

Good luck!

Brian

 

[Jinty]

That does look good - the windows especially - it was worth it going with glass. I don't know much about coaches so tell me if I'm wrong but the ends look a little plain being all black. Would there not be electrification flashes etc on the ends or am I thinking of a later era?

Thanks Adrian,
I'm not certain of electrification flashes in 1962, the coaches could of I suppose. There is some small amount of data to be applied to the LH bottom corner, and some solebar transfers.

Love the windows! (No surprise there, then!)

The buffers show the ring marks from the machining though, and are too bright for my liking, especially as the couplings have been so nicely blacked. Shiny buffers are a bete noir of mine though, so take advice from others on the forum before worrying about this. I'd also rub the buffer heads down to smoothness on some reducing grades of emery paper. Overall that coach is stunning though and the finish on the coach sides is wonderful. The interiors look the business too.

I remember these vehicles behind Coronations on the West Coast Main Line. You'll need only another twelve to make up a representative train!

Good luck!

Brian

Thanks, I've got to weather the whole coach down yet, so the buffers will get some attention.

I don't think the Mid Wales route had 13 coach trains, and I know that Talyllyn Junction wouldn't hold 13, I think it'd struggle with 6!!!!

I'll post some more pictures once it's weathered.