Hartley Hills, LNWR c1900 - buffer stops, how do you build yours?

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
I like making S7 track... apart from our Forest of Dean model (somewhere between Lydney and Tufts, circa 1900) I have done LSWR plain track (circa 1885) and GWR plain track (circa 1885) for Basilica Fields, see Adrian's on-line journal. Recently I have been asked to build the track for a LNWR station, the location / period thought to be between Birmingham and Stafford, circa 1900.... for John Lewsey of the S7 Group. Here is the intended plan:-

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I was given a sketch of what was wanted and I felt that a name was needed so I got out the relevant OS 1" map and looked for a suitable location. The LNWR line crosses Watling Street near to a village called Gailey and so the station got the alias of "Gailey Gate" which sounds like a name which the LNWR might have given to a station on a road to nowhere.

[Subsequent to starting this topic, John has decided that the station was erected to serve a locality known as Hartley Hill.... which is as yet not known to "The AA", Multi-map or any of those sat-nav boxes. I have changed the name on the plan above and updated this topic. However, the references to Gailey Gate shall remain... otherwise Jordan's brilliant humour regarding the A5 and his knowledge of Marjery are without foundation]

So far nothing unusual.... given that S7 is an acceptable choice for 7mm modelling, maybe even old hat now. Some baseboards arrived in my garage last week - total length of 12' and 3' wide, made of 6mm ply for top / sides / diagonals and 9mm for the ends. These two baseboards are for just half of the plan above and that is without considering Hartley Hill No. 2 signal box at the north / Stafford end of the station. The first step towards the full layout is to build the turnouts at the London end of the station, hence the signal box is "No.1". The second step is to build the track for the platform roads so that services can commence between Hartley Hill and the Birmingham area. Oh, and the ruling radius for the down main is 40 chains (prototype) or 60' (model) so the baseboards are curved.

Whilst the S7 Group Stores sells Vee filing jigs and Crossing assembly jigs for "whole" angles - and I shall be using those products for some of the turnouts - the plan has crossings with interesting angles, such as 1:7.5, 1:8.5 and 1:8.25. Overall a challenge in flowing trackwork.

Information on LNWR permanent way is scarce and so I was pleased to receive drawings of switches and crossings from the report of the 1900 International Railway Congress - with French captions, not surprising as the congress was held in Paris in that year. Track templates are to be laid on 3mm foam from Exactoscale, the same source has supplied steel rail, ABS chairs and fishplates plus brass chairs (for baseboard joints) and brass fishplates (for the loose heel switches). Timbers of scale 12" width had been cut for the templates and then the switch drawing (above) arrived.... 14" timbers throughout the switch and crossing area. Oh well, laying of timbers is going to have to wait for the arrival of correct width material.

regards, Graham

Subsequent to the above, the LNWRS has published copies of LNWR PW drawings of plain track, switches and crossings from a LNWR "catalogue" circa 1910 - see LNWRS web-site, May 2014).
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Thank you Rob,
Just remember that you will need to fit 33mm wheels for those horseboxes which are working down the WCML.
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
The LNWR line crosses Watling Street near to a village called Gailey and so the plan got the alias of "Gailey Gate" which sounds like a name which the LNWR might have bestowed on a station on a road to nowhere.
Watling Street - a road to nowhere..?!?! :confused: :eek::rolleyes:
Now known as the A5... at Gailey it is between Cannock and Telford........

.... yeah, okay, point taken......:D :)) :thumbs:
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Watling Street - a road to nowhere..?!?! :confused: :eek::rolleyes:
Now known as the A5... at Gailey it is between Cannock and Telford........

.... yeah, okay, point taken......:D :)) :thumbs:

Thank you Jordan and maybe your reprimand is in order given that the road deserves to be remembered as Watling Street rather than the A5 or whatever other alias the natives of Milton Keynes have given to this historical monument. You could have given us the Margary number for this Roman road!

However, "road to nowhere"... Um, sorry, musical reference for those with a liking for 1960-70s British R&B although maybe "train to nowhere" might have been more appropriate. Anyone remember the Blues night at the Nag's Head in High Wycombe or the Savoy Brown Blues Band?

Remember that 40 chains prototype curve? Well the scale equivalent is 60' radius and setting that out has needed some devious thinking given that a 60' piece of string runs from my garage into next door's kitchen and my knowledge of Versines is worse than nothing. First attempt at setting out some of the curves was not quite successful as the statutory 6' and 10' clearances were not achieved in a consistent manner. So, draw a suitable curve on the computer and print on A3.... the paper is long enough to plot the curve bit by bit and then adjust whilst looking at the centre line as a reflection in a mirror (held vertical over the plot).

regards, Graham
 

Jordan

Mid-Western Thunderer
Thank you Jordan and maybe your reprimand is in order given that the road deserves to be remembered as Watling Street rather than the A5 or whatever other alias the natives of Milton Keynes have given to this historical monument.
Actually in Milton Keynes the original Watling Street is still called that, but is also the V4, since what is now the A5 is a bypass through the town, running between V4 & V6. There is no V5.... :rolleyes: :D ;) ...keeping up?

BTW, between London & Dover the Margary number for Watling Street (now the A2) was 1. :p

This should help you feel glad to get back to S7 curves..... :thumbs:
 

JimG

Western Thunderer
Information on LNWR permanent way is rather scarce and so I was rather pleased to receive some drawings of switches and crossings from the report of the 1900 International Railway Congress - with French captions. Amazing what surfaces in the oddest places.

Graham,

There's a member of the Templot forum who is building a layout of New Street in pre-Grouping times and he seems to have collected a lot of data about the LNWR tracklaying methods. He might be a source of further information. Here's a URL to his initial thread on the topic

http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=1100&forum_id=5

...but he has made many entries since, primarily on how to persuade Templot to reproduce LNWR P&C work.

Jim.
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Actually in Milton Keynes the original Watling Street is still called that, but is also the V4, since what is now the A5 is a bypass through the town, running between V4 & V6. There is no V5....

Oh yes there is.... Slater's does a kit for one!!!!:D

VTW, between London & Dover the Margary number for Watling Street (now the A2) was 1.

How can you say that you are at the back of the class when you can provide the answer to such an obscure question?

regards, Graham
 

Scale7JB

Western Thunderer
As I have failed in my "King Canute" exam I bow to the inevitable and suggest that the WMR came first. Tut-tut, JB, and you a member of that gang and all.

regards, Graham
[who really prefers Green kettles... apart from that Purple haze of a streak which features over on that other place occasionally]

Tis true, but we're more likely to see a conclusion to this thread... :)

JB.
 

marsa69

Western Thunderer
How come you so often say that you are at the back of the class when you can provide the answer to such an obscure question?

Just because he is at the back of this class doesn't necessarily mean he's at the back of all of them, just most of them, like me :p:D
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
That looks interesting. Is it just that small section being modelled or something bigger?
I am not quite sure... the simple answer is yes. On the original sketch the Up Slow ran into a headshunt with a connection from the headshunt into a goods yard. After the sketch had been converted into a Templot file, by Richard Carr (another S7 modeller, thank you Richard), the goods yard had disappeared and the headshunt had been extended into an Up Goods line. Discussion with the owner last week revealed a desire to re-introduce some goods activity on the Up side so this week I have been modifying the track templates to generate sufficient space between the Up Slow and the baseboard edge so that I can insert a couple of sidings. The new sidings connect into the Up Goods line at the left hand end of the layout.

regards, Graham
 

Dog Star

Western Thunderer
Just how big did you say?

Here are the first two baseboards for the station... 4' x 3' to the left and 8' x 3' to the right, the join is between the two adjacent vertical lines. Standard construction, 6mm birch ply throughout, glued and screwed, primer and oil-based gloss paint. As this layout is to be stored in a vertical plane the boards have been fitted with rubber door-stops to one of the sides (and in the picture (below) the door-stops are on the upper side... because that is the way in which I struggled managed to get the boards upright on the stand).

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The red lines represent the transverse and diagonal members plus the areas which are occupied by re-inforcement to the ends and by the "Barry Norman" side-beams, in effect the red lines represent no-go areas for anything like electrical feeds or switch blade operating rods. The builder of the baseboards had a full-size drawing of the station track plan and hence we have avoided any conflict between turnout mechanisms and the diagonals/cross-members.

Next step from this is to fix the track templates to foam and then to fix the foam to the board. The templates are cut to size, making allowance for ballast shoulder, and fixed to the foam with Stikatak spray glue (available from B&Q at £4 per can, I have used almost two cans to fix the templates for the initial two baseboards). When the glue is set the foam is trimmed to size and then stuck to the baseboard with carpet latex... bought in a 5 litre plastic drum from a local carpet showroom - just like Copydex and much cheaper. Paint brushes do not last long when such activities are in progress - the bristles can go solid overnight.

The Basilica Fields journal has an outline of how I construct plain track in S7 in. To recap:-

* steel rail, blackened before assembly;
* ABS chairs, painted on the sprue;
* wood sleepers, in this case walnut and to be painted / weathered by the owner;
* jig to hold sleepers at the correct spacing and dowels to hold first rail at correct location;
* S7 Group gauges to hold second rail at correct distance from first rail;
* chairs secured to sleepers with Butanone.

Whilst I do use C&L chairs where appropriate my preference is for Exactoscale products, I just get along better with Exactoscale chairs and fishplates than with the C&L equivalents. I have several S7 Group sprung track gauges for assembling plain track, the end collars have been turned to include a 1:20 taper so that the gauges do not force the rail to be upright (which is thought by some to be a cause of track being "tight to gauge").

As the prototype is LNWR circa 1900 then track construction needs a sleeper jig jig for 30' rails with 10 sleepers per rail. Whilst this sleeper arrangement is in line with the HMRS LNWR Livery Register variations have been noted in track laid with 30' and 60' rails (see recent posts to HMRS and Trackwork Yahoo groups). Not having made any LNWR track before then I shall have to make the jig this week, starting with 3/4" chipboard (the base), pine strip (sides and ends), 2 or 4mm MDF (support for ply spacers) and 1/16" ply (spacers between sleepers). Plus a magic ingredient... although Rob Pulham might remember what this is from a discussion some months ago.

In "Jigs and Gauges" I have written about the various jigs and gauges, from the S7 Group Store, which I use in making track. Such jig and gauges are to be used in making the track for this LNWR layout.

regards, Graham
 
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