Coal Firing Live Steam Models

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Coal firing has always fascinated me, particularly when it comes down to the small scales. I've spent many a happy hour watching other people fire their own locos at the various events and get togethers I've attended and in terms of hands on running, you can't beat it. Its 'proper' in a way that gas or meths doesn't really achieve, but it is more fiddly, requires more prep and is less relaxing as a result. However, the smell and satisfaction far outweigh the compromises in my opinion, but I know its not for everybody.

I had hoped this year to convert one of my 16mm narrow gauge engines from gas to coal firing and had actually got as far as getting the kit ordered and an idea formulated of what I was going to do. The lead time was pretty long and during that period I had a phone call from a good friend who offered me first refusal on one of his engines - yup, you guessed it - 16mm and coal fired! We had spoken many years ago about it and I said if he ever sold it I'd be interested, well with the opportunity there and the funds in the bank account I made the four hour drive down to Exeter to pick it up.

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The engine itself is a Tolhurst Model Engineers rendition of the Vale of Rhiedol locomotive, mine is the one on the right in Stroudley's Improved Engine Green Livery, of which there is very little green and lots of ochre :) Sharp eyed readers will have noticed that both locos are displaying the same name and number, even sharper ones will know that mine is actually incorrect and should really be numbered 9 and called Prince of Wales. However, whilst initially disappointed with the colour scheme (I wanted a green one as per my other friends loco above), I have grown to really like the Improved Engine Green such that I wouldn't change it now :) It also looks magic with a matching set of coaches - more on that another time.

Rather than getting too bogged down in whys, wherefores and options, I figured I could just steam in with actually firing an engine and if people are interested in other stuff then we can just back track. To start with, here's a photo with all the kit required to run. Hopefully its all self explanatory - suction fan, water, charcoal, coal, tools, steam oil and lubricating oil.

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The cab rear comes off in one piece on this loco and the roof lifts up to give good access to all the cab controls.

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One of the best bits about these engines is the near as dammit scale appearance of the cab with all the working controls. If you had gone to town on the options list, you could have had working whistles, draincocks and steam lance , on top of the usual blower, regulator, blow down on the sight glass and reverser. Alas, my engine is pretty basic, but I have arranged for it to go back to TME for upgrading in the early part of next year - I'm not bothering with RC control as I like the tactile response of driving the engine, but draincocks and a whistle are topping the to-do list :) Sorry, I've got distracted again haven't I :oops:

Right coal firing. At this stage, the lubricator has been filled (indicated by the 'Full' sign hanging off the sight glass) and all of the valves have been shut - I leave them all cracked open after a run to ensure nothing gets stuck as the engine cools down. The next job is to fill the boiler full of water. There is no onboard water system on the engine so all filling is done with the water pump bottle, connected to a quick release valve in the side tank (you can see the lubricator cap just below the water connection).

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Ideally you want it about 1/2 to 3/4 full, rather than the 7/8ths I achieved here - its all down to concentrating on taking photos of each step and thus not concentrating properly on what you are doing...

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With water in the boiler, the grate needs to be covered with charcoal next. Coal is pretty difficult to light on its own whereas charcoal soaked in parafin is the opposite, thus its easier to start the fire this way and when we get a decent bed of charcoal fire, start adding coal to that. We need around 8 shovelfuls of charcoal for the grate in this engine

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I suppose now is a good time to talk about sizing the charcoal and coal. I buy both in 5kgs bags which have been mostly sized down to something usable, however there is still some prep work to be done. The reasons are twofold - one is that the firebox door and shovel aren't that big and secondly its to do with the density of material you load on the grate. Big bits leave lots of air gaps whilst really small bits leave tiny air gaps. As ever, its finding something that gives the happy medium - enough space to draw air through the grate and fire, not too little so the fire can't breathe, not so much that the air finds an easy route through the fire and disappears up the chimney having performed no useful function at all.

The charcoal is the easiest to size as its almost all ready straight from the bag.

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Nothing makes it into the engine without having run through the sieve first though. Laid out on the garage floor is the kit I use - two washing up bowls, the sieve, dust mask and gloves (it is horribly messy and dusty this job), carpenters pincers and a container for the sorted materials.

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Stack the sieve on the round bowl to start with having gloved and masked up

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Tip the coal from the white bowl into the sieve and shake like mad. The end result is stuff that goes straight through the sieve (9.5mm square holes) and can be put straight in the sorted materials container, the stuff that sits in the sieve then needs breaking down to size.

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This bit is tedious I'm afraid - nothing for it but some good tunes on the stereo and get on with it - half an hours prep generates about enough coal for an hours running at this scale which isn't too bad. Each bit of coal gets picked out of the sieve and stuck in the pincers.

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A quick snap and you get two useful bits of coal

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There is always the temptation to use a hammer

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But even with a gentle tap..

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One useful bit of coal (maybe two at a push) and lots of dust. Much quicker, must less useful, take your pick :) I go down the pincers route. At the end of a sorting session, the charcoal gets put into a glass jar (I should replace it with a plastic one really to save it breaking if it gets knocked over) about half of which is filled with parafin. It all gets shaken around and left for about 24 hours before being used to fire. The coal goes straight into what ever storage container I have lying around

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Steve
 

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
A quick word about the two other tools that are helpful, the rake and the brush. The main job of the rake is actually opening and closing the firebox door. With fires this small, the door open time needs to be minimised as much as possible otherwise the air rushing in through the door can cool the top of the fire with disastrous results.

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I occasionally use the rake to tamp down the firebed if it looks like it is not sitting down on the grate - I don't want to suddenly get a collapse as it is very difficult to recover from that condition, but even then, the rake is held sideways. The only time I ever poke the fire is when the run is at an end, the aim then is to create holes in the firebed to kill the fire. The brush is useful because there is no clearance between the firebox door and the cab floor, any bits that get caught keep the door open and are thus decidedly unhelpful.

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The suction fan gets put onto the chimney and connected to its battery, but not turned on.

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The ninth shovel is loaded up and lit
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and is shoehorned straight into the firebox. The suction fan is turned on and when happy that the charcoal is alight, the firebox door gets closed.

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Now its simply a matter of firing by numbers (as taught by Chris Tolhurst of TME) - wait 2 minutes, add four shovels. I do differentiate at this point, and rather than go straight onto coal, I do another four shovels of charcoal and wait another two minutes.
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You can see that the engine is already starting to build pressure and that a nice hot fire bed is forming on the grate.

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The water level has also dropped as a result of blowing off through the safety valve at 50 psi - now its time to remove the suction fan and move onto the engines own blower to maintain the draft. Still keeping on with the four shovels every two minutes, move onto replacing the charcoal fire with a coal one. Its also a good time to just go over all the valve gear and check the engine is lubricated.

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At this point, I give it about 8 minutes more time, thats another sixteen shovelfuls of coal which gives a good, hot and stable fire. If you leave the fire up lane too quickly you discover that charcoal fires don't last too long and you end up stranded, not good. Its also necessary to keep on top of the water consumption during this period, trying to alternate water fills with coal firing. If you do both at the same time you effectively cool the fire with the new coal, and drop the boiler pressure with cold water. The reduction in pressure affects the performance of the blower which then doesn't draw the fire as well as needed with the new coal - its a balancing game which is part of the fun :)

Anyway, with a good fire, a decent amount of water in the gauge glass and some running up and down the fire up lane to clear the condensate and warm the cylinders (the regulator has been just cracked for the last 10 minutes to help) its time to go out onto the main line and couple up to the coaches. I normally give it a good two lap run with the cab rear off

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Stick a bit more water in, put the cab rear back on and sit down and enjoy the next five minutes.

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Then its service time. A quick check of the fire

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And it looks OK so top the water up and set her off again. Left in full reverse gear, it takes about seven minutes to drop the water level down to a point that it needs refilling, notching up will pull that out to about 10 minutes but then it all gets a bit close in terms of having to top up both water and fire at the same time.

Still, when you hit the sweet spot you can keep her with pressure, water and fire for a good two and a half hours which is the limit of the lubricator at the moment - I expect it all to get better as she loosens up.

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Its lovely when you shovel a couple more bits of coal on and set her off, the smell just wafts through the air and you can get some lovely chimney effects

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All the above has been done with nice clean burning Welsh steam coal. It ashes up OK, doesn't produce much clinker, but not much smell or smoke either. I was gifted a bag a coal by a friend whose father runs a 7.25" NG loco - 'try this' he said with a wry smile.

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Unbelievable:) Clag central, it smelt fantastic and the smoke just ripped out the chimney, it looked great if not a bit over the top. Then I came to clean it out, bloomin' nightmare with horrible sticky tar deposits everywhere inside the smokebox. However, cleaning out is a story for tomorrow.
Steve

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SteadyRed

Western Thunderer
Thanks for a fascinating piece.

Who would have thought prepping a scale live steam loco required so much attention to detail, particularly on the fuel site of things.

Dave
 

Mr Grumpy

Western Thunderer
Hi Steve,
Bringing back great memories !! I used that type of coal.... ONCE!!

I think your approach to firing is more thorough than mine was and probably pays off with a far more satisfying running session! :)
 

Locomodels

Western Thunderer
It is very obvious from your post just how much you love this, it almost makes me nostalgic for the 5" and 7 1/4" locos I used to have. I used to find it difficult on them to keep a good fire. How you do it all in this scale is proof of your enthusiasm and patience. Well done and may you enjoy every minute with your locos.
 

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
Thanks for your kind comments chaps, appreciated :)

Who would have thought prepping a scale live steam loco required so much attention to detail, particularly on the fuel site of things.

I think your approach to firing is more thorough than mine was and probably pays off with a far more satisfying running session! :)

I must admit, the prep work is a bit more than I anticipated - but so far it has it usually resulted in a successful run and I try to keep steam up for at least two hours to make all the effort worthwhile. It would seem too much like hard work if you only got a 30 minute run in, plus I also work on the principle that to travel somewhere and then get a poor run is more than frustrating. The caveat to that is always that sometimes you play with your engine and sometimes it plays with you :)

Bringing back great memories !! I used that type of coal.... ONCE!!

You too then! Once is too much it has to be said, I shall be paying for that one run for a long time to come.

It is very obvious from your post just how much you love this, it almost makes me nostalgic for the 5" and 7 1/4" locos I used to have. I used to find it difficult on them to keep a good fire. How you do it all in this scale is proof of your enthusiasm and patience. Well done and may you enjoy every minute with your locos.

I must admit, I'm looking forward to having a play with the bigger stuff, particularly the 5" and 7 1/4" side of things. I've joined my local engineering society as they have one loco in each size for members to learn to fire on - as I don't knowingly know anybody who runs a 5" or 7 1/4" loco I thought it was an experience worth gaining. Chris Tolhurst has told me that if I can learn to fire these little things then everything else is easy - he reckons that working up in grate size is no problem, coming down in grate size is a nightmare. I look forward to finding out! If you fancy sharing some old photos or memories, I'm sure you'll find an appreciative audience here :)

Right, the worst bit of the run - cleaning up.
At the end of the run its time to get rid of the fire and cool the engine down. I open the firebox door first

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and then the smokebox door

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The fire gets poked around with the rake to ruin the fire bed and its all left to cool down. The sight glass blowdown valve is opened up to drain the water, doing it under pressure helps to clean out deposits (if any are present) in the boiler and sight glass and the sign to indicate the state of the lubricator is hung back up. All the controls are cracked open to prevent them locking up as the loco cools.

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It all gets a quick wipe over, and when barely warm to the touch it goes back in its box for the journey home. The box lid is removed as soon as I get home to make sure it all gets an airing as it cools.

The engine is then mounted on its maintenance stand, behind each buffer beam are solid blocks with two tapped holes, these are used to firmly fix the engine to the stand such that it can be rotated around for work and cleaning.

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The small sliding part of the ashpan is removed first - as you can see, after this run it was basically full which explains why the fire was getting strangled. Its worth noting that the size of the ash in here is determined by the size of the gaps in the grate - the gaps therefore control not only airflow, but how the fire is supported and at what point the combustable material is replaced.

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I hadn't long stoked up the fire so when the main ashpan was removed, you can see its piled high and contains quite a lot of unburnt material.

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Emptied out into a container, you can see the spread of material sizes

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The grate and ashpans are then cleaned up by brush

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This shows how the sliding ashpan fits inside the main ashpan.

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A future modification is going to be putting a slot into the main ashpan, underneath the end of the sliding ashpan. The reason is that there are times when it would be nice to clear out the sliding ashpan and put it back in - alas with it as it is, if anything falls through the grate then it gets caught by the sliding ashpan and trapped between that and the side wall of the main ashpan meaning you can't seat the sliding ashpan in place. I'm not quite sure how well that mod will go down with Chris, i shall broach the subject carefully :)

The smokebox end looks pretty grubby to start with, that tar from the smokey run is ever present now, despite cleaning through the boiler tubes with a brush soaked in carb cleaner - it got rid of the worst, buts its still a pain.

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Before that run, clearing the smokebox out meant a quick brush around inside, shoving a hoover attachment in to suck up all the ash and dust and then a quick run through each tube. Now its a sticky crappy job, lesson learnt! However it doesn't really take that long, perhaps another five minutes so not the end of the world.

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The rest of the engine is given a quick wipe down, the lubricator filled back up and its all put back together ready for the next run.

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Steve
 

Steve Cook

Flying Squad
In summary terms, the firing technique is basically:

Cover the grate with a reasonable amount of parafin soaked charcoal - push it out to the corners with the rake and tamp it down.
Light and wait for two minutes with the suction fan on.
At two minute intervals, add either more charcoal or coal.
Move over to the engines blower when the pressure exceeds 40psi.
Carry on with the fuelling until a good hot, coal fire is present.
Enjoy the run, topping up as necessary :)

Whilst I've been learning and playing with this engine over summer, I've also been lucky enough to have a play with some other engines, all of which have a very similar grate size. As it turned out, the same firing technique translated well across to each engine, although these ones (all G1 engines) preferred a bit more charcoal before moving onto the coal.

The A3 was built by my friend Pete and I was the first to coal fire it with its new boiler. The boiler is a clever piece of work - the grate and ashpan are removable and can be replaced with a wick assembly to allow meths to be used as a flammable source instead. It made so much steam it was ridiculous, I had to stop using anthracite and just go back to welsh coal as the safety valves were blowing non-stop and it was getting through water at an astonishing rate - I suppose running with eleven coaches didn't help...

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Pete also had two G1 Atlantics in for investigation. Both were built from Barrett Steam Models kits, but both needed the blower to be on all the time to keep the fire burning properly. The first job was to sort out a repeatable firing and running technique so we would could compare the impact of other changes. As I'd sorted all my coal out size wise, I got the job of firing and as mentioned above, I could just use the same technique learnt for the VoR engine.

The Marsh Atlantic

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When running, it suffered from a lack of draft - hence needing the blower on all the time. Pete spent some time measuring the smokebox depression when running the loco on air, adjusting the blast pipe and firebox door sealing to get the best result possible. When fired up again it was a different engine, happily running with no additional blower, lap after lap. In fact this engine preferred to run on a blend of Welsh steam coal and anthracite, two shovelfuls of each at the refuelling stops.

Shown here with the test train (heavy Ali angle, running on bogies, with lumps of steel bolted to the chassis - it provides a heavy load and you don't have to worry about cosmetics)

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It was also very easy to run having an axle pump, which like the A3, meant no water stops - one could top the tender up on the move so it was only the fire that need looking after every 7 minutes or so. Because the stops were very short, you could get the engine going again quickly and the draft from running helped to burn the new coal. If I'm honest, I could have run this engine all evening - it hit the sweet spot of being involved enough to make it interesting, without any of the hassle factors. Alas, the grate isn't removable on this engine so the fly in the ointment is a more protracted cleaning out session.

Its Ivatt based cousin didn't fare so well, there were differences in blast nozzle location, firebox door sealing and ashpan holes so it spent a fair bit more time in the workshop. Looked a belter during firing up though :)

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Pete got there in the end with the mods though, the last runs were done with the cab off which made it easier to fire and to check the firebox door sealing. We ended up running late into the evening and if you'll forgive the terrible photo, you can see the glow of the fire in the track below

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It came out alright though that engine, despite being nominally the same as the Marsh Atlantic, it preferred to run on a purely anthracite based fire - go figure. I suppose in some respects, that actually sums up my experience so far - you can have a basic technique which then needs to be adapted on an engine by engine basis. It does require a certain amount of patience and time to figure out which way to go, we reckon I spent five hours firing both of those Atlantics in 30 minute runs so its not quick to learn. As Chris said though, you can spend 20 hours running one of his engines in, learn how to build and keep the fire, then adapt it depending on the load you have behind it. Apparently on the VoR I should be able to build a fire, have the blower cracked open and with a full boiler of water, leave it standing for 45 minutes... I think I need some practise for that one!

As a sign off of what I have done so far, here is the VoR running on that last glorious Sunday we had in October


Steve
 
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unklian

Western Thunderer
One day Steve, one day ! I have a chassis and when my skills are up to it I shall build it a coal fired boiler. I know where to come when I get to fire it up first time too now, excellent stuff there .
 

adrian

Flying Squad
Thanks for the post - fascinating to read through the steps taken. As you say the coal fired loco's provide a unique experience in sight, sound and smell.

My Dad used to have a couple of O gauge coal fired steamers built by the Parker's ( a father and son combination) one was a New Zealand Garrett so the boiler size and firebox area was on a par with many a Gauge 1 loco. We could get it to steam ok but getting both sets of drive units working together was always tricky. The second one was a freelance Atlantic, that one was much nicer to fire, again coal fired and it had an axle pump. Both had multitube boilers and superheaters so I remember well cleaning out after a couple of runs. Later on my Dad acquired a Mikado again built by the Parker's but to my regret I never got the chance to see it running.
 

Neil

Western Thunderer
Fascinating topic Steve. Another friend of mine has the radio controlled version of the Rheidol tank. It's been interesting to compare the firing up regimes; yours appears more rigorously organised, but from what you say you get better performance from the loco. I'll try to persuade him to take a look here.
 
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