A tale of a pair of 1361s

AJC

Western Thunderer
That’s coming together nicely, Phil. I shouldn’t worry much about the cab interior as it’ll be lost behind the crew as much as anything else. We modellers always get hung up on things we know (in our heart of hearts) will be invisible.

Adam
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
Hi Adam, thanks. It's not coming along too badly and I'm not planning on getting to pedantic with the cab interior, although I still need to find the cab beading, fortunately work can continue without it.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
A bit of progress on the cab roof, but I'm not entirely happy with it.


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The roof didn't roll very well despite annealing it first, the problem is the roof vent detail has caused the creasing, in it.

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Also, I was a bit heavy handed with probe on the RSU. I think the jury will be out until it's had a coat of primer and possibly some filler. If I'm still not happy with it, I will make a new one and add the detail. I think it would have been a better option from the kit makers. I fitted the boiler pressure and vacuum gauges to the roof former and took out the piece between to allow the former to fit over the cab pipework.

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The destructions said to cut the former back to a couple of mm, but I thought it would be better to leave as is and add the gauges to it, a lot easier to get at. The cheat doesn't seem to show through the cab opening.

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The gauges are a little out of focus and I don't think much will show once the crew are fitted, wish I could remember where I put them and the other figures I bought several years ago.
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
Phil,
Soft brass distorts just looking at it the wrong way. If you are rolling a roof it's better not to anneal the metal first especially if the curve is relatively shallow.

Ian.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
Thanks Ian, but the I couldn't get the roof vent to roll at all, even when annealed, which led to the creasing either side of it. Fortunately it's not the end of the world, if I have to make a new one, but I might well put the other one together this week and see if it forms any better, without annealing it.
 

simond

Western Thunderer
Phil,

it might help if you roll it with the half etched side against a piece of greyboard (the sort of cardboard that the back of an A4 pad is made from)

Hth
Simon
 

Ian@StEnochs

Western Thunderer
I have had problems with rolling roofs with ventilators too. My solution is to make a sandwich with a couple of pieces of tin plate and then put the lot through the rollers. The tin plate I salvage from biscuit boxes usually surplus after christmas. Its quite thin but it holds the brass in line as it rolls.

Ian.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
Phil,

it might help if you roll it with the half etched side against a piece of greyboard (the sort of cardboard that the back of an A4 pad is made from)

Hth
Simon


Hi Simon,

I was using a magazine and a length of 10mm dowling , my usual method for small pieces, that won't go through the rollers.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
I have had problems with rolling roofs with ventilators too. My solution is to make a sandwich with a couple of pieces of tin plate and then put the lot through the rollers. The tin plate I salvage from biscuit boxes usually surplus after christmas. Its quite thin but it holds the brass in line as it rolls.

Ian.

Hi Ian,

Many thanks for the tip, I might dismantle the roof and give it another go. I will need to scavenge some tin plate, I don't have any biscuit tins to cut up, I'm not supposed to eat them! I will see if someone in the family has one.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
On an upbeat note, I found the 2nd chassis, right under my nose. The downside is the crosshead and con rods are absent.
 

Phil O

Western Thunderer
I have moved onto the saddle tank, This was not too painful until it came to the bottom bends.

First the former was assembled.

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Next comes the tank wrapper.

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I managed to put a dent in it, but the etched overlay should cover it up.

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By pushing against the bottom of the tank, the curve wasn't too bad, but as can be seen I was a bit heavy-handed with the RSU probe, it probably would have helped, if I had not resharpened the tip. Hopefully it won't be to noticeable once fitted to the loco.

The destructions say that once you have the tank made up you should drill a couple of holes in the end and fill it up with liquid lead, I used a combination of thin strips of lead and then started to fill it up with 'Fluid Lead' from Eileen's Emporium, it was at this point that I found a big hole in the plan, pun intended, the lead balls started leaking out all over the place, I managed to contain the situation with some handy masking tape.
I blanked the holes I had drilled with epoxy resin and also fitted the safety valve, tank filler and dome, the spigots for the safety valve and dome come through the bottom of the former, so I soldered round these and ground it back flush. Next was the handrail knobs, I tinned these and slipped them on the wire that forms the handrail, a quick zap with the RSU and these were quickly secured. i then tinned an end of the wire pushed it into the knob and another quick zap and all is secured, for the moment the other end is snipped off and needs fettling. This just leaves a hole in the former under the filler i sloshed more lead in here and turned it over and with my thumb over the hole, give it a shake and repeat until I couldn't get any more in a blanking plate was made from scrape etch and soldered over the hole. For the other one I will ignore the instructions and fill all the holes bar one and put the lead in from the top.

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Not yet gotten around to taking the final photos. it appears that I have put a dent in the tank.
 

paulc

Western Thunderer
Hi Phil , i wouldn't worry too much about a dent in the tank , i suspect most 12"-1ft units would have had at least one or two . Its a bit like the rippling down the sides of tenders , most were like it and yet we as modellers try to keep them straight .
Are you putting DCC into this model ?
Cheers Paul
 
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